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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R5, Day 2): Cherished Spark Of Hope
« on: January 23, 2022, 12:41:52 am »@ToonyMan: What are YOUR other suspects?I'm only voting Magma, Toaster, or Webadict.
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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R5, Day 2): Cherished Spark Of Hope
« on: January 23, 2022, 12:38:44 am »That's not what I'm saying.Are you actually trying to imply that you cannot possibly be a mafia inventor??Because as crazy as I am, "Scum Cop" is a crazy assumption to make at 8p. Especially with so many unknowns. The truth is that his claim has earned him some slank cover. If he's still slanking at 5p then I'll be willing to reassess.You know why those unknowns exist, right?Why would I care if your inventor claim is confirmed? How is that relevant?I can't be lying unless I'm mafia with Jack. Mafia have to be lying in this situation to account for the unknowns, therefore voting someone who could be lying sounds sensible to me.
I'm not accounting for the unknowns. I've decided my choices are between the four players that are. I want to believe Roden so that leaves Toaster, Webadict, and you. Strangely enough these are most of the players I've been suspicious of this whole game!
PPE:
Seriously, the "unknowns" that people are basing the entire game on could both be explained by moderation quirks.I try to present cases and people say they suck.
Just play Mafia please.
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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R5, Day 2): Cherished Spark Of Hope
« on: January 23, 2022, 12:25:45 am »Because as crazy as I am, "Scum Cop" is a crazy assumption to make at 8p. Especially with so many unknowns. The truth is that his claim has earned him some slank cover. If he's still slanking at 5p then I'll be willing to reassess.You know why those unknowns exist, right?
Why would I care if your inventor claim is confirmed? How is that relevant?I can't be lying unless I'm mafia with Jack. Mafia have to be lying in this situation to account for the unknowns, therefore voting someone who could be lying sounds sensible to me.
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Mafia / Re: New Player's Guide to the Subforum - New to Mafia? START HERE
« on: January 23, 2022, 12:13:12 am »
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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R5, Day 2): Cherished Spark Of Hope
« on: January 23, 2022, 12:06:44 am »I'm inclined to vote Roden over Magma, purely because Magma seems to have more to offer. Roden's ability is patently unreliable, and Roden pulled the only parlor trick he could out of it. Magma has unlimited potential. Even better, if Magma is town, that unlimited potential means drawing a night kill over someone that is more obviously town. Going to the grave to keep secret? What commitment! I'm swooning over Magma!Well, I'm not swooning over it.
I think I'm actually going to vote Magma. What'd you do last night?
PPE:
That's what I thought, and then here they give me this corrective attitude by saying "I claimed to have not blocked Roden" when I mentioned that.Regarding Magma: Did Magma say that they didn't action me? Or did we just assume they said that? Magma did claim ninja, but they threw that into their Obviously Fake claim on D1. So the Ninja part actually looks legit.Yes.Checking in. No-kill is surprising. I'll say that I was neither responsible for the lack of kill, nor did I target EuchreJack. More later.
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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R5, Day 2): Cherished Spark Of Hope
« on: January 22, 2022, 11:53:47 pm »
@Magma:
Okay, but why am I a better vote over Roden if my action is confirmed by Jack? Roden claiming cop is also mechanical but isn't even confirmable currently.I don't believe Roden is lying. They claimed second, right after NJW, there haven't been any other cop claims, and we've had two roleclaims that would mess with him. Besides that I feel they're being genuine.My reasoning for what, for suspecting Roden? The entire reason for why I'm not voting Roden right now is because of the cop claim. I think his play has been by far the scummiest today, for reasons I've already mentioned. The tl;dr being that he isn't trying to find scum at all.
Magma, you voted NJW mainly because NJW's vote on Roden looked bad, right? Do you believe your reasoning is better, why?
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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R5, Day 2): Cherished Spark Of Hope
« on: January 22, 2022, 11:01:04 pm »
I don't believe Roden is lying. They claimed second, right after NJW, there haven't been any other cop claims, and we've had two roleclaims that would mess with him. Besides that I feel they're being genuine.
Magma, you voted NJW mainly because NJW's vote on Roden looked bad, right? Do you believe your reasoning is better, why?
Magma, you voted NJW mainly because NJW's vote on Roden looked bad, right? Do you believe your reasoning is better, why?
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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R5, Day 2): Cherished Spark Of Hope
« on: January 22, 2022, 10:14:56 pm »
I'm also voting Webadict, but let's make that accurate by unvoting.
So let me get this straight: We don't know how Roden was roleblocked. Everybody has claimed an action besides Jim and Magma. However, Jim has claimed Day 3 Innocent so he gets a pass. Magma has not claimed and refuses to claim except that they're a ninja and did not action Jack...or at least wouldn't show up on Web's sensors. I've been assuming Roden was blocked because of Toaster or Web, but Magma is a complete unknown.
Look, we need to pick someone inside Magma/Toaster/Webadict because at least one of them is lying. I'm excluding Jim, because again he'll be a known quantity tomorrow.
So let me get this straight: We don't know how Roden was roleblocked. Everybody has claimed an action besides Jim and Magma. However, Jim has claimed Day 3 Innocent so he gets a pass. Magma has not claimed and refuses to claim except that they're a ninja and did not action Jack...or at least wouldn't show up on Web's sensors. I've been assuming Roden was blocked because of Toaster or Web, but Magma is a complete unknown.
Look, we need to pick someone inside Magma/Toaster/Webadict because at least one of them is lying. I'm excluding Jim, because again he'll be a known quantity tomorrow.
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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R5, Day 2): Cherished Spark Of Hope
« on: January 22, 2022, 09:34:29 pm »
@Toaster:
Second, why do you think I'm voting Webadict? I think you're scummy, but I don't have as good an argument compared to Webadict. I unvoted NJW on D1 at one point because I felt my argument wasn't good enough. I think it's reasonable to reassess.
Uuuuugh
PPE:
@Jack:
In reading your Web/Toaster case post, I can't help but notice you don't really lay out any accusations against me. Sure, you've got something on Web, but me it's... because I have Web as my only town read? That's it?First, that's not it. Roden's interactions with you are suspicious (and I believe Roden) and I also included NJW's reads. You don't have much activity on D1, but I've been trying to pay attention to player's behavior with one another.
Second, why do you think I'm voting Webadict? I think you're scummy, but I don't have as good an argument compared to Webadict. I unvoted NJW on D1 at one point because I felt my argument wasn't good enough. I think it's reasonable to reassess.
Gonna throw this out here; if Maximum Spin is Town, it's probably Roden as scum, who tried to kill Maximum Spin last night and failed. He- instead of claiming a Null on me and lending me credibility- claims getting blocked to do me no favors and instead set out confusion. It's... not impossible, certainly. I'd need to think on who Roden's theoretical partner is in this case. If Roden's not a cop, then my role needs extant investigative abilities to make sense. Other investigations? Web's motion detector, Toony might have a investigative invention, and Magma hasn't claimed? It's... possible?Funny how you pointed out I was either/or-ing NJW and you, but you're either/or-ing Max and Roden here.
I should clarify that; Toony seems scummy because his arguments suck.Magma seems to think that too.
Uuuuugh
PPE:
@Jack:
Why is everyone else OK with Magma not claiming?I'm neutral. It's okay for the same reasons you not sharing what my item is or what Max's role are good, but it's bad if Magma is mafia.
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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R5, Day 2): Cherished Spark Of Hope
« on: January 22, 2022, 08:01:28 pm »Additionally,.If Web flips Town, then I'm probably Primed. Why Web is arguing that their lynch won't reveal anything...is weird.Where did he say that?
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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R5, Day 2): Cherished Spark Of Hope
« on: January 22, 2022, 06:24:01 pm »Just because I mentioned Toaster in that sentence and not you doesn't make that true. Your behavior is worse and more suspicious than Toaster's. Especially on Day 1. Which is why I'm voting you. I'm honestly hesitating if this is the optimal move or exactly what you want at this point.So, your suspicion of me is predicated on Toaster.So then you think there's two scum Roleblockers?It's possible, although like I said in my case post I think the more likely scenario is that Roden interacted with something Toaster has.
In essence, you're building a case for Toaster so that you can swap when I flip Town, because you can shrug your shoulders on that.
Weeeeeeeiiiiird.
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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R5, Day 2): Cherished Spark Of Hope
« on: January 22, 2022, 06:07:15 pm »
This is also why Jack using their item on you tonight is better than them using it on Toaster tonight.
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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R5, Day 2): Cherished Spark Of Hope
« on: January 22, 2022, 06:05:43 pm »So then you think there's two scum Roleblockers?It's possible, although like I said in my case post I think the more likely scenario is that Roden interacted with something Toaster has.
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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R5, Day 2): Cherished Spark Of Hope
« on: January 22, 2022, 05:40:46 pm »
@Webadict:
Mafia having multi-tasking is only implied if you're telling the truth. The other case is that you're lying and most likely partners with Toaster...which I want to believe. Jim is offlimits today because they'll be confirmed town tomorrow so there's no point. I think everyone else is town except Magma which I'm getting more nervous of.
D2 reads:
Town
Jack - pretty sure Jack is town, they're fully engaged with the game and solving, I feel even better about giving them an item last night
Max - same as Jack
Roden - it's our cop, NJW was a town miller so Roden looks even better
Neutral
Jim - kind of just ignoring, we'll know tomorrow
Magma - Jim might be right, me and Jack were clearing Magma because of outside reasons which could be incorrect here, I feel like they didn't care what I had to say and already had an agenda in mind
Scum
Webadict - all over the place, claims motion detector which isn't 100% provable. I really think they're mafia with Toaster or maybe even Magma I need to reread this
Toaster - Toaster claims they blocked Roden, but also Roden was blocked himself, why? Toaster was also being really cagey and step-by-step with his roleclaiming which feels calculated too
Mafia having multi-tasking is only implied if you're telling the truth. The other case is that you're lying and most likely partners with Toaster...which I want to believe. Jim is offlimits today because they'll be confirmed town tomorrow so there's no point. I think everyone else is town except Magma which I'm getting more nervous of.
D2 reads:
Town
Jack - pretty sure Jack is town, they're fully engaged with the game and solving, I feel even better about giving them an item last night
Max - same as Jack
Roden - it's our cop, NJW was a town miller so Roden looks even better
Neutral
Jim - kind of just ignoring, we'll know tomorrow
Magma - Jim might be right, me and Jack were clearing Magma because of outside reasons which could be incorrect here, I feel like they didn't care what I had to say and already had an agenda in mind
Scum
Webadict - all over the place, claims motion detector which isn't 100% provable. I really think they're mafia with Toaster or maybe even Magma I need to reread this
Toaster - Toaster claims they blocked Roden, but also Roden was blocked himself, why? Toaster was also being really cagey and step-by-step with his roleclaiming which feels calculated too
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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R5, Day 2): Cherished Spark Of Hope
« on: January 22, 2022, 05:18:37 pm »
@Webadict:
What do you plan on doing if you're alive for N2?Because my goal is primarily to clear myself, and claiming to action the dead guy usually makes me look like scum.I really only targeted EuchreJack because I figured he'd be alive Today, but, eh.@Web: This bothers me because I don't understand why you would target someone that you thought would be alive (me), rather than someone that would likely be dead (Jim). Also, why me again? What made me more likely to be alive than other players? I had some doubts whether I was going to see Day 2, so why were you so sure of me rather than other players?
One other thing: Why is Web discussing Poison/Priming? Nobody has said they were poisoned, and in the previous Fallacy games people knew when they were poisoned.
@WebAgain: What about Magma? Town or scum? Why?