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@Webadict:

Because there's a much better conclusion here than this:

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 22, 2022, 12:37:14 am

Here's my theory:

Toaster is some kind of Ascetic Roleblocker/Jail Keeper.
Web is possibly lying about being a motion detector.

Toaster roleblocks/jailkeeps Max.
Roden gets roleblocked by something Toaster has, like a strong passive.
Webadict either actually motion detected Jack or is lying and did something else in secret.

This one is actually really silly: The obvious conclusion is that I ROLEBLOCKED RODEN. I mean, it's literally so obvious that it doesn't seem like I'd have to point it out, but I do.

I had thought of that, but mafia having two roleblockers sounds unlikely to me so I put down what I felt was what most likely happened. I also think it's really unlikely there's multiple millers. I remember you even saying there might be three town millers with the third staying quiet. Why would you say this unless you're trying to clear Toaster? I can see that you're trying now, which might be because you are posting from a computer finally.

I strongly suspect that webadict is town. His play doesn't make sense from a mafia perspective. I don't support any of the votes. The only way web can be scum here is if it's with Toaster, which... alright, but why would we lynch web first in that situation?

Who's Toaster most likely mafia with then, Jim?

Toastadict Case

1. Webadict
2. Toaster
3. NJW reads
4. What happened Night 1?
5. Conclusions

1. Webadict

#1851 - Webadict votes Magma without a reason.

#1863 - Webadict tells Toaster he doesn't believe this game would have two millers. He's laying suspicion on Toaster. He also agrees with my points on NJW (which were incorrect).

#1880 - Webadict confirms they voted Magma without giving a reason.

#1885 - Webadict changes their vote to myself right after Jack votes me. Writes off Jack as town. Decides to switch to me because Magma isn't posting and includes some minor reasons why they're voting this time. What I find important is the suddenness after Jack puts an arguably solid vote on me for voting NJW. It's wagon hop.

#1900 - Explains their vote on Magma now, it was simply "intuition" which is fine since it was basically RVS. Web's first vote on Magma is the most NAI.

#1910 - Web puts Toaster as their second highest town right under Jack. "No reason to claim Null Miller" and yet they voted NJW who had claimed miller. Why believe Toaster over NJW? They even admit themselves they read NJW's miller claim was super townie at the start of the game. He's contradicting himself to suspect NJW.

#1917 - Webadict goes into overdrive now. They switch back to Magma for their suspicious Fruit Vendor claim, which is fine since Magma really was lying. They then unvote again in a flurry of PPEs. Right after this Magma admits they were fakeclaiming and votes NJW for justifiable reasons.

#1923 - Webadict jumps on the NJW vote after Magma does and just says "fucking finally someone gets it". This is a pure wagon vote. I believe they did this to try to swing momentum off of Toaster since NJW's Toaster vote could have possibly swung that way instead, but Webadict also didn't want to vote NJW first so they did weird shit until someone - in this case Magma - voted NJW first. Then they pounced. Afterwards Jack and Jim joined in quick succession before Roden hammered.


2. Toaster

#1865 - Toaster banters with Webadict about being a "null miller". Throws a little shade towards Web as well. That's pretty much all I have for D1. With Toaster-Webadict.

Toaster wasn't able to post for D1 end, which is understandable I can't argue that I almost didn't get my own post out. In general they didn't post much on D1.

#1954 - Start of D2, Toaster puts out his end of D1 post he couldn't post with their D1 reads. Webadict is their only town read. They attack me and Max the most. It's this point where I post that I'm confident that mafia team is Toaster/Webadict. They also like Web, Jack, and Jim's votes on NJW the most even though I think they're the most bandwagon-y. Magma had the best vote on NJW there, but Magma gets rated as badly as my pseudo-vote.

From here Web and Toaster have been pushing for me and Max for D2.

Jumping ahead to new stuff...

#2012 - Toaster posts another readslist, this time with Webadict in the middle. This likely isn't in response to Jack voting Web since that had just happened. They also have actual town reads now with Jack, Roden, and Magma. I think this is Toaster overcompensating for the end of D1 reads. Maybe Web told him to drop him down after seeing how today has progressed.


3. NJW's readslist

#1887 - NJW's scumreads were Toaster, Webadict, and Roden. I think the Roden read was bad, but I think his points on Web and Toast are good.


4. What happened Night 1?

Here's my theory:

Toaster is some kind of Ascetic Roleblocker/Jail Keeper.
Web is possibly lying about being a motion detector.

Toaster roleblocks/jailkeeps Max.
Roden gets roleblocked by something Toaster has, like a strong passive.
Webadict either actually motion detected Jack or is lying and did something else in secret.


5. Conclusions

I have more reasons to suspect Webadict, although part of that is that Toaster hasn't been as active. However, Toaster is mechanically more suspicious. My brain follows my heart so I will be voting Webadict as he is more suspect and it's more likely Webadict is playing Toaster and not the other way around.


PPE:
@Jack:

@Toonyman: Are you SURE you don't want me to say what I got? It would help me figure out how to use it...

No. It's better this way.

I'm home now, but my computer is having issues booting so I'm trying to deal with that. I'll try to work on my big case post tonight after I fix this issue.

Here's what I wrote during N1:

I'm pretty confident that Toaster and Webadict are mafia. I can give detailed reasoning when I'm at a computer. For now, in short Web has been trying to lead bandwagons and get the heat off Toaster. This nokill is a frame job. Toaster is framing Max while also protecting Web.

I also wrote notes during N1 but they're at home and I won't be there for awhile today. I will post them when I can.

Uuuh I can remove these posts if that was hammer

Damn sorry, I accidentally fell asleep but it looks like I woke up before day end. I can at least respond to new posts before day end it looks like.