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Mafia / Re: Kill Webadict Now - Webadict Edition REDUX : Jury [Day 1]
« on: December 20, 2021, 09:57:52 pm »
@Knightwing:
Quote from: Knightwing64 on December 20, 2021, 06:50:40 pm
Quote from: Egan_BW on December 20, 2021, 06:02:13 pm
I have one bullet.
Shoottttttttttttttt meeeeeeeeee
You know you wanna....  :D
I don't advise we shoot you. It's better if we vote you off, when or if that time comes.


I've been looking at the Toaster/Egan/Max thing:

First I looked at Toaster...

Let's look at how Toaster responds to me here:
Quote from: Toaster on December 19, 2021, 08:08:02 pm
I don't believe you.  Well, that you are Anti-Webadict.  I can believe that you're Anti-Anti-Webadict.  What does that even mean?

Also let's all remember Jesters exist
This is someone who is aware of Anti-Anti-Webadicts because of their role. I think it's unlikely a Player who feels the need to hide (such as scum) would say they believe me about Anti-Anti-Webadict when they could just rub my nose in it.

At the same time, Fallacy says this:
Quote from: FallacyofUrist on December 19, 2021, 08:07:08 pm
Quote from: ToonyMan on December 19, 2021, 08:05:35 pm
This is a bastard game so I will flip Anti-Anti-Webadict if I die, but I am Anti-Webadict. Hence the confusion in my first post.
... You're floundering. In your early post you effectively claimed Pro Webadict. A few posts ago you said you were a third party ('choosing who to side with'). Now you're claiming the town equivalent, now that you know what it is.

You are so blatantly scum you're screwed, nya.
It's an awful attack. It makes me feel worse about FoU and better about Toaster.

Afterwards Toaster say this:
Quote from: Toaster on December 19, 2021, 08:46:20 pm
My PM mentions Anti-Anti-Webadicts, so I certainly believe they exist.
Thus backing up what they were saying earlier.


Second let's go to Egan...

Egan has been chipping in to the conversation every once and awhile. They seem unsure of things.

I am also unsure of them. I can't read them. They feel genuine aka they aren't lying.


Lastly, let's look at Max...

When FoU was railing me, Max needed no convincing:
Quote from: Maximum Spin on December 19, 2021, 08:16:00 pm
Yeah, ToonyMan.

They've pushed the agenda, along with FoU, that I'm Pro-Webadict:
Quote from: Maximum Spin on December 19, 2021, 08:19:13 pm
Did you seriously forget the whole business from the beginning about what being Alive meant, ToonyMan.

Well, actually, I guess this makes sense as a Pro-Webadict move.

And then later they decided we should lynch between me, Toaster, and Egan. I found that interesting and still don't see the reasoning behind that.

In the end I don't want to vote Toaster anymore. I'm unsure about Egan. And I feel worse about FoU and Max.


@Jim:
Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 20, 2021, 08:20:58 pm
TricMagic, claim the colors in your role PM.
I agree. I'm not sure if Tric is mafia, they've been quiet but this is a bastard too.

I don't think mafia!Tric would just go "somebody stole my hats!!". Sounds more like mafia stole his hats.

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Mafia / Re: Kill Webadict Now - Webadict Edition REDUX : Jury [Day 1]
« on: December 20, 2021, 02:36:12 pm »
Quote from: Knightwing64 on December 20, 2021, 02:00:09 pm
Quote from: ToonyMan on December 20, 2021, 01:46:48 pm
Quote from: TolyK on December 20, 2021, 01:23:12 pm
It is possible for all Players to Win the Game.
Is this reallly a statement though? You're asking a question with a full stop.

We could think up some good statements for Knightwing to test. We could determine everyone's alignment for example, if he's willing to do that.

Sure, why not. I don’t know about public though. It just says, and I quote “ Once per Day, you may have the Moderator confirm a statement in The Privilege. If the Moderator cannot confirm the statement, you may pick another statement until They can.“
Once Per Day changes things...we need to make a really good statement each Day for Knightwing to confirm.

Quote from: Superdorf on December 20, 2021, 02:21:14 pm
Quote from: ToonyMan on December 20, 2021, 01:06:44 pm
I have the same wincon as Vector, though Game is capitalized which I'm curious about. The Game will end if Webadict dies, not game.

Interesting! Followup question: did Erebos give you your old wincon, your new wincon, or both?
...come to think of it, did your wincon change when Vector's role fired? Do you know?
I've only had this wincon that Erebos gave me. I started the game with the same conditions that Jack and Vector have listed off. It's pretty obvious which part of my role is being affected by Vector's role as it has a Color Mafia name while the rest of mine don't. Our Mason chat is also called the Color Mason Chat. I had something similar happen with 4mask in Magic Mafia where we had a mason chat together because of one of our roles.

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Mafia / Re: Kill Webadict Now - Webadict Edition REDUX : Jury [Day 1]
« on: December 20, 2021, 01:46:48 pm »
Quote from: TolyK on December 20, 2021, 01:23:12 pm
It is possible for all Players to Win the Game.
Is this reallly a statement though? You're asking a question with a full stop.

We could think up some good statements for Knightwing to test. We could determine everyone's alignment for example, if he's willing to do that.

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Mafia / Re: Kill Webadict Now - Webadict Edition REDUX : Jury [Day 1]
« on: December 20, 2021, 01:06:44 pm »
Quote from: Toaster on December 20, 2021, 12:55:28 pm
Maximum and Toony:
Quote from: Maximum Spin on December 20, 2021, 05:07:39 am
Okay, I think... I think I know how this works, but I'd need to lynch one of... let me think... I guess best candidates are ToonyMan, Toaster, or Egan_BW.

Quote from: ToonyMan on December 20, 2021, 12:33:55 pm
This is kind of broad, but I believe there's at least one Anti-Anti-Webadict inside Toaster/Egan/Max so I'll go from there when I'm actually at a computer.

Why are the four of us getting lumped together?
Max's post is one of the reasons, yes.


Quote from: Superdorf on December 20, 2021, 01:00:13 pm
Quote from: Vector on December 20, 2021, 01:12:57 am
If the Webadict died right now the game would end, but in order for me to win, all Pro-Webadict and Anti-anti-Webadict Players must die. I assume Toony's wincon is the same.

Thank you.
Toony: Can you confirm or deny?
I have the same wincon as Vector, though Game is capitalized which I'm curious about. The Game will end if Webadict dies, not game.

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Mafia / Re: Kill Webadict Now - Webadict Edition REDUX : Jury [Day 1]
« on: December 20, 2021, 12:41:15 pm »
@Mod:
What's the difference between game and Game?

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Mafia / Re: Kill Webadict Now - Webadict Edition REDUX : Jury [Day 1]
« on: December 20, 2021, 12:33:55 pm »
This is kind of broad, but I believe there's at least one Anti-Anti-Webadict inside Toaster/Egan/Max so I'll go from there when I'm actually at a computer.

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Mafia / Re: Kill Webadict Now - Webadict Edition REDUX : Jury [Day 1]
« on: December 20, 2021, 12:29:10 pm »
Jack is very likely Anti-Webadict as well. Gonna check that one off the list now that they've posted. Their genuine lethargic drive matches my own, and they list a lot of information I share.

Also would prefer some other people over FoU. I've mentioned this to Vector in private but FoU is probably town. This is probably a very poor play that backfired. An actual Pro-Webadict player would not openly claim such, having seen the game now and Knightwing's behavior. I guess Anti-Anti-Webadict is more possible, but maybe if they help me find actual scum we'll be square.

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Mafia / Re: Kill Webadict Now - Webadict Edition REDUX : Jury [Day 1]
« on: December 20, 2021, 12:16:05 pm »
Quote from: Knightwing64 on December 20, 2021, 12:07:54 pm
As a gesture of goodwill, if one of you doubts one of the statements that another player has said as long as it is not against my interests. I will have the moderator confirm it in the privilege. If they can’t, then the player is lying.
I appreciate the show of cooperation. However, it's clear our goals conflict so you taking advantage of the Privilege for us would likely only be for your own benefit. Is this a correct statement?

Do Pro-Webadict supporters such as Helia and presumably yourself hold Truth as your virtue?

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Mafia / Re: Kill Webadict Now - Webadict Edition REDUX : Jury [Day 1]
« on: December 20, 2021, 12:06:33 pm »
Anti-Anti-Webadict are probably the mafia team.

Pro-Webadict is probably at least Knightwing but likely has others. This group is like a publicly known third-party with a lot of protection?

The rest of us are Anti-Webadict. Gonna assume we're the good guys here. Yep. Definitely.

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Mafia / Re: Kill Webadict Now - Webadict Edition REDUX : Jury [Day 1]
« on: December 20, 2021, 11:59:39 am »
I'm not torn over a FoU lynch since they seemed very eager to mislynch me after claiming they were Pro-Webadict. Thank god I'm a mason with Vector. I don't understand why FoU still wants to vote me unless they really think I'm lying and actually in cahoots with Vector, but it's a weak argument.

I don't want to vote a Figment because it doesn't help eliminate Pro-Webadict and Anti-Anti-Webadict Players.

I'm not voting Vector or Jim because they're confirmed Anti-Webadict.

I don't want to vote Knightwing because the other factions must be eliminated first before Webadict, which Knightwing should be.

There's also the matter of what/who killed Helia in the Setup Phase.

Game mechanics still appear to be working with only some roleplaying elements. Therefore scumhunting should still be effective in finding scum. PoE can be dangerous so let's look through these Players and find a good reason to vote someone.

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Mafia / Re: Kill Webadict Now - Webadict Edition REDUX : Jury [Day 1]
« on: December 20, 2021, 12:57:02 am »
Quote from: EuchreJack on December 20, 2021, 12:51:34 am
My role reveal told me that I actually didn't kill Helia, but that I carried the Sin of Murder from before the game start.  I was framed.
Perfect, if we believe you were framed then we have our enemy.

And it's not a Player. None of us could have framed you Jack because none of us had roles to frame you with! A Non-Player is a killer.

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Mafia / Re: Kill Webadict Now - Webadict Edition REDUX : Jury [Day 1]
« on: December 20, 2021, 12:53:10 am »
I wouldn't be too quick to judge Knightwing. I haven't seen anything alarming from their play outside their town meta, although I want to hear their thoughts. Maybe some bartering is required here.

@Knightwing:
Do you have any compatibility with Anti-Webadict? Are you in communication with anyone besides yourself?

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Mafia / Re: Kill Webadict Now - Webadict Edition REDUX : Jury [Day 1]
« on: December 20, 2021, 12:40:15 am »
Quote from: FallacyofUrist on December 19, 2021, 11:32:37 pm
Quote from: Vector on December 19, 2021, 11:29:34 pm
I think Knightwing should claim colors before anyone else claims.
Not a bad idea, but uh nya, Knightwing is Webadict and is thus unlikely to cooperate.
No no no. We picked Knightwing for a reason. I believe they will help us. I gave them my votes so they would cooperate, or at least be easy to read if they chose not to cooperate.

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Mafia / Re: Kill Webadict Now - Webadict Edition REDUX : Jury [Day 1]
« on: December 20, 2021, 12:36:18 am »
Quote from: Vector on December 19, 2021, 11:23:59 pm
At the beginning of the game, I convert a random player of my alignment to be a mason with me. That player will flip as anti-anti-Webadict on death.
So that's why I'm a death miller, nice.

I kind of believe FoU at this point, although my vote is reset anyway.

@FoU:
The better question is: How did you survive getting shot at twice? I don't believe Web would be nice enough to give you your own Cat role from BYOR if I remember correctly.

I can also heal hurt Players if that comes up, but not Figments. Maybe that makes me a target, but at least it would confirm there's a malicious minority at play? Knightwing is too obvious to kill/vote I feel...and I'd feel stupid voting Helia and also think voting Players would be more beneficial, as well as asking questions I'm too tired to make today. I think the plan is to learn more about the rest of the Players while also determining what the Figments want.

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Mafia / Re: Kill Webadict Now - Webadict Edition REDUX : Jury [Day 1]
« on: December 19, 2021, 10:26:50 pm »
@Helia:
What's up with your arm?

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