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Duh, Jack could quickhammer you too! But he doesn't want to hammer his partner! Man this mechanical stuff sure is great.

Webadict you'll have to consider NJW town here, as mafia!NJW probably wins by quickhammering you when he gets back online, which also means Vector is town. So your choices for mafia are Max, Jack, and Roden.

I mean you can still consider NJW/Vector as mafia, but just know that NJW will likely confirm themselves before deadline by either hammering or not hammering.

PPE:

@Web: You have to admit, it is suspicious that several possible scum teams could have hammered you after Vector's vote.
NJW/Roden
NJW/Jack
Jack/Roden
Max/any of the above

NJW hasn't been online in hours.

Web if you're town and confident this game won't end if you're mislynched then I need some actual thought of who you think scum are. Please give me actual insight into this that isn't just mechanical info. Reread the round for me. Explain to me why Roden is scum based on their actual posts. Or NJW, or anybody!

It's possible we go into D4 still since I was brought back to life and Vector was double targeted by mafia.

I'm never unvoting you today, but this will be extremely valuable if the game continues. It would be redemption for myself and you.

Roden is also a delayer which is why it's in scum's best interest to remove him today. Although anybody but Vector or themselves is fine for them.

Yeah fuck reading past posts of the game so far to determine scum, let's just spend the whole fucking day speculating about how the mafia work when the mafia will never, ever, EVER reveal how their abilities work until the game is over.

In no way, shape, or form, are you mechanically cleared, for the same reasons that I'm not mechanically cleared, except you're EVEN LESS mechanically cleared because your Night 1 action is unconfirmed.

AMAZING SCUMHUNTING

10/10 YOU GOT RODEN

First of all, Vector is town. NJW is town. Max is town.

This leaves Web, Jack, and Roden.

Web is always mafia so let's look at Web/Jack first as I feel that's much more likely than Web/Roden. We'll specifically be looking at Jack since Webadict is leading the pack here. We want to be sure who we're voting tomorrow after we kill Web today.

Day 1

I claim that it's NJW and Max's turns to be mafia.

Jack agrees even though it's a gambler's fallacy. Jack says he doesn't think both would be in the mafia team, but he thinks there's one mafia between NJW and Max.

This is the second post of the game. NJW and Max haven't even posted.

NJW does a FoS on Jack for bad logic.

Webadict decides to ignore me for D1, how helpful.

Webadict votes TricMagic because Tric votes Roden for bad reasons. Webadict's vote never moves after this point until Tric is lynched. I agree that Tric's reasons for voting Roden were poor and Tric does unvote Roden. I share more of my confusion over Tric here later in the day. Webadict shows no hesistance about Tric, a player he's supposedly extremely good at reading.

Jack votes NJW with some soft pressure.

Webadict doesn't believe Tric, responding to Jack.

Me explaining to Tric why Roden is probably town. Tric unvotes Roden here.

Jack hints at being a watcher. Webadict does not choose to target Jack on N1. You wouldn't target your mafia partner after all.

Jack straight up states they really think NJW or Max could be mafia because they haven't had a chance to be mafia yet.

NJW votes Webadict and starts to attack him here. Webadict blows the fuck up on NJW for the rest of the day (while still voting Tric). It's the biggest reason why Web/NJW isn't possible to me.

Vector softclaims a doctor role. Not an investigation role.

Webadict doesn't believe Vector that scum have poison.

L O FUCKING L

Try to show D2 Webadict that and you wouldn't think it's the same person.

I put down some D1 reads, this is important for later.

Webadict literally copy pastes my reads. Thinks me and Max are town and that my scumreads NJW and Tric are mafia. This whole posts reads like a joke, especially going to Day 2.

Jack's reads have the exact same scumreads of NJW and Tric. The same scumreads I had, the same scumreads Web copied. Jack and Web were completely in-sync with my wrong reads. Gives Webadict a "straight null", only above NJW and Tric.

Jack defends Web from Tric right after.

NJW puts Jack at the top of their reads and Webadict at the bottom of their reads. This is actually relevant since I've noticed NJW tends to either get one read completely correct and one completely wrong, or have both mafia somewhere around the middle. For this list the two in the middle are me and Tric so...

NJW has also stayed very consistent with believing Jack is town, even into D3 now. I think that shows some believability into town!NJW.

I switch from NJW to Tric. My vote doesn't move the rest of the day.

Tric's feelings. Doesn't trust Web or NJW. Thinks Max is fitting their town meta. "Jack is off, but not that off. Roden is weird, but I'm weird." Slight town read on Vector.

I explain to Tric that there's a good chance Webadict is mafia if Tric is town.

Tric complies and votes Webadict over me or NJW.

I find Jack's top townread of Vector extremely odd.

Max hints at their death-related role. It's really subtle so I didn't even notice.

NJW sticks with voting Webadict. Webadict predictably explodes on him, calling him names and shitting on his play, just like when I accused Web on D2. I should mention it's not the serious kind of hate from Web, but the condescending "I'm so much better than you" smug hate that you wouldn't see with town!Web.

Web continues to vote Tric.

I explain how everyone has voted so far.

Web declares me, Jack, and Roden town. States that Roden is unlikely to be paired with anyone. Vector is slightly town. Max is being aloof. NJW has made an extremely shitty case on our lord Web. Tric is weird and mafia.

This of course points to either a Web/Jack or Web/Roden team.

Web thinks Vector is being honest with their policy-lynch vote on Tric.

Jack jumps on Tric now. We could speculate this is to ensure Web isn't lynched, even though Web was at the bottom 3 of Jack's reads alongside Tric and NJW.

Web thinks Jack should NEVER be vig-killed when Max asks the question of who he should vig if he had the ability to.

Funny enough, Max did target Jack with Ember Tracking which shows that Max was okay the most with Jack possibly dying on N1. Really going against what Web said, heh.

Jack doesn't want Web to be vigged since "if town it's his first game this tournament as town."

Roden is confused that me and Web are unable to read each other in this game.


And that's Day 1. Web and Jack have each others back constantly through the day. Web attacks Tric and NJW. Jack goes from voting NJW to voting Tric, the exact same voting pattern I had. Exploiting the fact I was incorrect.


Currently on this Day 3, Jack is pushing for Vector while Webadict is pushing for Roden. But in reality, they are both 100% okay with Roden since they probably win the game if they can mislynch someone who isn't Vector. We might be able to have another day if we mislynch Vector, but why not just lynch mafia today?


Day 2 has a lot more to go through and I have work tomorrow so I'm not sure I'll get through it before deadline, but I will try to get the main meat of Day 2 between Web and Jack.


PPE:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Strongman

Here's literally ONE example.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Ascetic

Here's another.

Boom, not cleared.

WHO CARES ABOUT

MECHANICAL BULLSHIT

FUCKING
SCUMHUNT

That thing you're incapable of doing in this game.