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Could also be teamed without a chat. Webadict and I were talking about that possibility after last round.

I'm refering to this in my previous post.

@Webadict:
Screw you. I tried to consider everything on D2. You railroaded me like a fucking moron even when I still considered other players to vote like Max or Roden. My thoughts and opinions showed development and growth. You ranted about how I was scum and we need to watch out for nonexistent third parties. I didn't even want to play anymore at the end of D2 because of how much you unjustifiably shitted on me. And then Max comes in right at the end of day like an angel, taking the mafia by surprise with "hey I'm going to res town". Even if mafia tried to kill Max that would eliminate one of the suspicious players, not that mafia appear to be able to actively kill at night, so they were fucked either way. I'm so utterly fucking convinced you wouldn't be this fucking bad. And calling me bad means fucking shit to me after the bullshit I had to read from you on D2.

Anyway, your poison reasoning is shit because it's clearly something mafia are doing and we could spin in circles forever not doing anything. Either Vector is lying or Jack is lying. Boom. If Vector is lying then they're with NJW. If Jack is lying they're with Web. Just like I was fucking saying that it comes down to one of NJW/Web being mafia when Tric flipped town. And guess what? Tric suspected Web! Like I said on D2 this mechanical stuff is nice when town are making claims, but we can't get caught in the bullshit of how the fuck mafia work since we can't say for sure until the game is over. Look at Round 2 for a good example of this.

I think what I'm going to do tomorrow is fit together everyone's claims on N1 and N2 and then assume two people are mafia for each scenario and see how that looks. The objective is to see which players fit the best as liars, since town players would be telling the truth with their results. Roden and NJW haven't claimed for today, but they should be around by the time I do this tomorrow. I was also consider player's behavior and voting patterns.

Web/Max is nuts though because that means Web was like "hey Max revive the guy who wants me dead", definitely ruling that out.

I really don't see this setup as one mafia or one mafia plus one ally. I really think it's two mafia. Mafia haven't even killed a player yet, although Vector should drop dead at the end of day regardless. I still think Vector and Max are town.

The main part I don't like about N1 is the prime on Vector. That was clearly scum if NJW isn't lying. And I don't think NJW is lying. Which means Vector is also town.

Removing multi-tasking, Max and Roden are the only two people who could have primed Vector. Max claimed their track on Jack too late so that could be faked. Roden claims a delay on me which could also be faked since I claimed doing no-action before Roden's claim. So for both of these cases their claim isn't confirmable sadly.

In the case of Web/Max, Web knowing Max's role ability for Web/Max isn't surprising there. Max would be the one that primed Vector in this scenario, although I admit it's odd that Web would also target Vector alongside Max.

And for the case of Web/Roden that means Roden primed Vector while Web again also targeted Vector. They've explained why they targeted Vector, but I still disagree with them on that.

Quote from: ToonyMan on November 13, 2021, 08:59:35 pm

What did you do last night Jack?

I inspected NJW2000.  I did this to check Web, at least a little bit.
My results were that NJW2000 was not targeted.  I figured town!Web couldn't resist knowing what was in the Maximum Spin grab bag, whereas mafia!Web would probably claim to have copied NJW2000's voyeur power as it is the more reliable investigative role.

Inteeeeresting, you watched the person that could not have been targeted anymore from what people have claimed. Gotta make sure NJW can't contradict you when he comes in right?

Are you still voting Roden?

Damn, does everything you do set people on fire?  Please tell me your ability that revived Toonyman wasn't called "The Spark of Life"...

I was struck by lightning when I was revived, so that's pretty fitting.

What did you do last night Jack?

Why is that unlikely, though? It's not THAT advanced a tactic, and they're both good players.

It means mafia chose not to kill or do anything harmful on N1.

This is possible since I was restricted last round, but FoU said they'd make mafia stronger. I was just res'd so mafia have to be at least kind of powerful. Web and NJW are not of the same alignment at least this much I feel confident.

The way I see it, if Webadict is town (false) the only possibility is NJW/Vector omegabraining as mafia. This is extremely unlikely.

In other words, Web has to argue NJW/Vector. He's always mafia otherwise so...