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Actually I'm dumb, nevermind. In that situation mafia!Me would just kill Vector which would still make it 50%.

It was a compliment. I don't find Jim when he's mafia. I end up with Jim left as the only possible mafia.

So yes, I think your play in this game was good. I also personally struggle with single mafia setups.

I'm not going to be able to stay awake for the deadline, so if there's any questions I'm here for now.

Outline why NJW is mafia:

1. Tric isn't mafia, this has been proven today via lack of quickhammer.
2. Tric has claimed Vector and Max are the same alignment. Max is town, thus Vector is town.
3. NJW tried to lynch Tric D1 because they claimed cop, then they switched their vote to Jack while also giving excuses that they didn't believe Jack was mafia.
4. NJW's N2 action claim should have prevented Web from dying, but this did not happen. In addition they didn't feel the need to check with the mod until the day after so that they could incriminate me.
5. The balance of the setup makes more sense if the solo mafia has some kind of special advantage, which we can infer NJW would have. At the same time, if we applied this reasoning to myself it is less convincing compared to NJW.
6. I would not kill Web as mafia, there is behavioral evidence. There isn't a clear indication with NJW.


PPE:

At least there's a 50/50 chance of winning if I do get ML'd. I know you know this Tric, but I feel compelled to reiterate that shooting Toony is really what you have to do in that case.

On the same token, if I'm mislynched you need to shoot NJW tonight Tric. I don't believe he can self-deflect.

NJW was the one thing preventing Web from dying on N2. Web still died.

Me being mafia would imply I am solo scum with a standard kill I can't even use every day, as NJW is stating that me killing Web only worked because I was their deflection target, which is bullshit. How is that fair for mafia? Even if that's how deflection works, NJW can say whatever he wants as he shoots Web while also planting suspicion on me.

Main issue here is that Toony would have had to try and kill me to get the action failed result.

Ah, right. Toony never brought this up. Why did you never tell us who you deflected Web to? We focused on someone managing to bypass it Day 3, but we never learned who would have died instead.

NJW claims they deflected Web to me. So I should have died if he's telling the truth I think.

Let me add more to that:

Tric slammed down their cop claim D1 right after I did. Their entire play in this game has been their town meta. I became convinced from D1 alone which I feel confident I can get most of the time. I don't think Tric is clever enough to invent this "parity cop" business within hours of the round starting. When I ended up inspecting them last night the second last thought in my mind was "shit Tric was mafia all along!!".

I am back and full of chicken gyros.

@Vector:

Toony: Why are you unconcerned about Tric having a gun?

Should I be? I'm glad you were able to give a gun to Tric as this means Tric can shoot NJW if you mislynch me. I don't believe NJW can self-target their deflection...at the very least it should raise town's win rate by 50% no matter what happens.

NJW is the killer.

It’s either Toony/NJW or just Toony.

Which is it Vector? I refuse to lose to NJW who is openly being scum in front of me.

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@NJW:

So there's really just one mafia... ok, that's pretty weird. Could be a very odd situation with mafia-allies... but I figure they'd have hashed out who their partners are.

The game would have auto-ended if there were two mafia, there's only four people left.

Yeah, I panicked pretty hard. And posted with a regrettable tone, I'll admit. I don't regret the panicking though, I was pretty sure you/Toony were the scumteam, and thought mafia were about to hammer for game. I really don't pretend to be good at reading you, I genuinely thought you were mafia.

None of this makes sense, mafia would have already won if there were two alive still. It's just you.

My role, in more detail:

So, turns out that my deflection fails if I'd make someone target themselves, and the mod doesn't tell me that this happened. This is why I spent D3 theorizing about nonsense like bus drivers and mafia deflection-strongmen. And also why I didn't really engage with Roden's post about how someone had to be lying about what happened in the night - I thought that he had a weird interference power, or mafia had something hidden up their sleeve, or so on.

I should have checked this earlier, I'll admit, but it was just a possibility I completely failed to see. It is weird that I get less reliable information whenever I deflect, but in this specific case I get to know who performed the kill, but that's the way FoU has it.

I targeted Toony, so it has be Toony that did the kill. There's no other way through my deflection without actually mucking with my action, and I'd get told about that.

You never deflected Web to me on N2 did you? You shot Web and are trying to frame me by explaining some unique made up case where your deflection wouldn't work.

I've been speculating today while walking around at the park and I think I know how N2 went down.

Your mafiakill is only on even-numbered nights, isn't it? We have no reason to believe a kill happened on N1 or N3. And the mafiakill must be special like multi-tasking, as Roden targeted you with Repel or Rolestop instead which caused my action to fail, or you have a second ability that is a part of your factional kill. This information would not show up on Webadict's captain flip.

Welp, Vector was completely right, it's just Toony. And not Tric. Which feels crazy.

Why does it feel crazy?

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@Tric:

I'll let Toony tear your case to shreds. Cause that's all that's going to be left after he's done.

Vector would have to agree or else we're going to end with a tie/no-lynch today.

I will be writing up more of NJW now that I'm home.