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The Life of NJW

Day 1

#676 - RVS questions: focuses on Roden, Jack, and Vector. Pokes at Web.

#723 - Responds to some questions, the notable parts are heavily suspecting Tric for claiming Parity Cop and giving the stink eye to Roden for claiming Jailor under the Captain.

Ever since Day 1 I've still been a bit suspicious of NJW wanting to kill one of the cop claims. I think that's a pretty scum thing to do as I definitely would want to try to do that as mafia.

#755 - NJW gives their reads and votes Tric. Roden was their top town read as well.

So here NJW goes from suspecting Roden to plopping them at the top of the town reads, which Jack immediately finds odd.

#772 - NJW continues to attack Tric.

#812 - NJW responding to stuff. Defends Max a bit from Jack and Web. Continues to push for Tric: "Ok, not even a desultory gesture towards a Tric lynch, we're just letting players build up a meta for scum-sided play on the assumption that they're easily read. No way that could go wrong."

#819 - Arguing with Web.

#829 - Arguing with Web more.

#836 - Gives a warning they don't think Jack is scum but will vote him if necessary. Also gives reasons why they think Max are town.

Their reasons for why they think Max are town look genuine.

#838 - More arguing with Web. Votes Jack here saying they don't think they're scum but think me and Roden have a better read on Jack.

This vote looks really bad to me. It's the third vote on Jack after me and Roden voted him and they give the excuse they don't even think Jack is mafia which is perfect if Jack is town like he was.

#840 - Gives more reasons for why Max is likely town. Goes to bed.



Working on Day 2 but I want to get this out for now. I really don't think I'll have time to do Roden today I ended up doing family stuff today and I just don't have time which fucking sucks because I want to be here. I will vote today. It doesn't look like Tric is voting with Vector, but I will still vote with Tric before day end.

Note that if it's 1 Mafia, Roden needs to go in case it's 2. If it's 2 Mafia, Roden needs to go cause he's the other. Either way Mafia is caught tomorrow.

Well, unless the team is Roden/Vector and I got messed with hard. Which I'm starting to think might be the case, what is the case on toony other than him being slippery?

It could be that it's one mafia and two allies. This would explaining the balancing better and the amount of people lying.

In the meantime:

Vector even if you think I'm more dangerous as a player we'll lose if NJW and Roden are both mafia.

It's very unlikely this game is only one mafia and one ally.

1. N1 didn't have a discernible kill because Max didn't use his commute, why? The only death at night has been an ally. This is indicative that mafia are restricted in the first place.
2. Too many players are lying. At least two players are lying.

Tric/Roden is possible, but Tric would be playing the most amazing mafia of his life.

@Roden:

So, we have a bit of a problem here, Tric and Vector. Toony and NJW both think I'm scum. They haven't really given a reason as to why I'm scum, but alright, they both suspect me.

...Why don't they suspect each other? They both have each other as a possible pairing with me, but they aren't actually considering that I could be town and the other the true scum. We've had two days in a row where we thought the scum team was obvious, but then turned out to be wrong, yet they both think third time's the charm and want to vote who they think is the obvious choice again?

I think you're both scum dude. I wouldn't say Day 1 was obvious, I was wrong about Jack and the thread had been swaying between Max and Web. And for Day 2 we had an alignment check from Tric on the top two most suspicious players at the time.

So why did Toony's and NJW's night actions not work? And why don't they suspect each other?

I do suspect NJW! I think he's distancing from you!!

Quote from: ToonyMan on October 24, 2021, 08:12:06 am

Likelihoods:

Vector/Tric - possible
Vector/Roden - not possible
Vector/NJW - not possible

Tric/Roden - possible
Tric/NJW - unlikely

Roden/NJW - possible

I have to decide between voting Tric or Roden.

This especially looks awful, seeing as Toony had the most to gain from disabling all of the remaining roles in the game if he'd happened to be town.

If Web was my ally why would I fuck myself by killing him?? How would I have killed him unless I'm working with NJW??

Roden, between the two of you there's a higher probability you're mafia over NJW. This is the only reason why I would vote you over NJW.

Web hid info about your role. He forced Vector to give you stuff or do nothing at all. Which worked since Vector did seem to comply.


@Vector:

case about me and Web interacting in-thread

Me and Web have played a lot of games together. We mess around. I try to get a feel if they're town or not. Web tries to get a feel if I'm town or not. We're pretty good at figuring each other out.

When we're both town anyway.

Unfortunately, I am much worse at this game when Web is mafia (or mafia-ally in this case).

On Day 1 when Web started making strange posts I thought he was fishing, trying to bait people, and it made me suspicious. This must be exactly what he wanted. So like the scrub I am when I face him I fell for it. Every time I play this guy and he's mafia and I'm town he ALWAYS out mindgames me.

I got hooked and tried poking, but he went crazier and people started dogpiling him. It felt just like town!Web in something like Mostly Vanilla Mafia 2 where he railed into ShadowDUMP and almost got himself lynched for being an asshole. It was just like that during Day 1! That's why it bothered me. But he was fucking with me the whole time.

By Day 2 I fully believed he was town. He tricked me, again, just like in Supernatural 10 or Tric's Matrix mafia.

Roden claims I killed Web to disable the town roles, but this claim is contradicted by the evidence you have found Vector. If I was corresponding with Web in-thread, why would I fuck myself by killing him?? Does that make sense?? Not only does this not make sense motivation-wise, but there's a mechanical reason this isn't possible: NJW claims they deflected Web to me! NJW has hypothesized a mafia strongman, but that can't beat redirections!

Vector. I wasn't sure about you. That's why I checked you first. Tric is clearing you as well and I believe in my Tric read the most. So I trust the two of you. I think NJW and Roden are both fucking with me. I am going to reread this entire round, figure it out, and post my findings with a vote before this day is over. I cannot let town get its first defeat.

NJW is more likely to have killed Webadict while Roden fucked with me last night, so in this case we should actually vote NJW first since they're definitely a killer, but I will look into it more.

I've been busy today but I'll be home in a couple hours for more time.

Let me get this straight:

1. Web had NJW deflect him and then NJW chose Toony
2. Web had Roden target Tric who picked Repel on NJW
3. Web had Vector target Roden who gave them a 50% watch

Alternatively, it could just be a mafia strongman. Which would be annoying as it doesn't let us thin out the possibilities, but does suggest the unlikely Tric/Vec scumteam, as with town!Toony there's some possibility of a follow-the-cop type situation and corresponding counter powers.

True. This also follows Vector not trusting Webadict.