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Right. I checked Vector and it was negative so no guns on them at least.

I don't think I'm going to be to stay up for the deadline. If I'm awake I'll try to stop a tie from happening, especially since it would have hit mafia last round.

Also, Mafia, plz no kill, I'll do whatever you want, just no kill plz. Thx.

Lol

I also don't think you're a Gunsmith, though, but that okay. It's a good deflection, and I like it. In any case, I'll call you Town, and continue on my way.

If you don't believe me then why am I town?

Hey Maximum Spin, we have this thing called Reads Lists that let everyone see your awesome graphs of player alignment, you could even skip ahead to the connections thingy we do Day 2.  Might even select players and ask "hey which of these is most likely scum".

How many votes are on you again?

This post rubs me the wrong way. Like kicking a man when he's down.

Hm, NJW's poor read of Tric is quite similar to NJW's usually poor read of Roden, in that NJW is essentially scumreading Tric for his claim in the same way that NJW usually scumreads Roden for their claim.  Essentially, NJW has switched targets.  This is actually quite useful to know!

Exactly, I noticed this as well. NJW is usually pretty good, but always has a really bad take on one player.

Unless the mafia team is exactly Max/NJW I don't see why NJW would bother to defend them either.

Quote from: ToonyMan on October 17, 2021, 05:03:41 pm

Based on my role and what people have been claiming I believe there is a town false-positive and a mafia false-negative for my inspect. I think Tric is my town false-positive since he claimed so readily and willingly.

There are downsides with both of our inspections, however we should be able to narrow down suspects with our results combined.

Hm, I find this suspicious.  Feels like too much information. I'm starting to wonder if Toonyman might be mafia claiming gunsmith cop to justify knowing town from mafia.
Just something to think about later on, after I'm dead.

I do have too much information, it's because of my role. Maybe instead of wondering you could press a case, while alive? Are you my speculative false-negative mafia Jack? Because that would explain why you subconciously felt the need to draw attention to my hypothesis.

But, that's actually a fascinating stance. See, I could reasonably deduce that you might be Town from that stance. However, it could just as likely be that you're disgruntled Mafia. If you were Mafia, you'd be getting massive flak in Mafiachat, probs, so unless your buddy is ToonyMan or NJW (who appears to be trying their best to provide a bit of cover), that'd be the only logical pairing for me. EuchreJack... Maybe, but it seems a bit presumptuous. Really, I haven't seen enough Jack to know if they're really the trump suit or not, and Vector is technically possible. Tric and Roden are impossible. They can't be your scumbuddy because they're both Town.

I agree with all of this. The rest of this post is town as fuck too. Crazy to see Web's difference in behavior when pressured and when not pressured.

@FallacyofUrist: Please just modkill Maximum Spin.  If you don't, we know he's mafia that bailed before getting lynched.  Yet we can't lynch, because new players are entitled to new consideration.  A replacement now just adds further delay.

I don't like this, at all. I was suspicious of Max for eagering wanting to kill Web for bad reasons, but I don't think the team can be Max/Jack (my top two suspects) because of your attitude here.

Also I'm voting you. Jack.

You jumped on the Web wagon. You jumped on NJW after the Web wagon wasn't going to work. And I think in general your tone has been much more distant and aloof like in R1 when you were mafia.

Also, your 50/50 plan is an easy excuse as you can kill either me or Tric and then go "whoops I protected the other guy last night".

Alright, let me try to organize my thoughts since I'll be driving for 13 hours tomorrow and won't have time to post until day end if the extension happens, which it should.

I also agree with the extension.

*cracks knuckles*

@Jack:

Quote from: ToonyMan on October 18, 2021, 03:34:03 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on October 18, 2021, 01:50:40 pm

NJW2000, because townreading Roden is outside of your meta.  Plus, following your advice. 

Do you believe NJW is unnaturally townreading Roden after playing 3 rounds in a row with them?

Yes.  I actually thought most of NJW's reads were nonsense, but the townreading of Roden was unnatural, whereas the remainder seemed more typical NJW.

I think their read of Roden is accurate and surprisingly unstubborn of NJW. I'm not sure if a mafia!NJW would try to stand out like that.

I think NJW's read of Tric is ass, which does not appear to be an uncommon opinion either. Town!Tric would absolutely claim Parity Cop immediately. To add to that, I agree with Tric's suspicion of Maximum Spin and also that the Web wagon likely has mafia on it. I think it's possible NJW is mafia, but it's not a first pick at all.

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@NJW:

stuff

You're a logical person, yes? There is no good reason to lynch one of our cops on D1. If Tric is telling the truth we have a good, mechanical source of info. Even if Tric is bullshitting we'll be able to figure it out down the line. There's even two cop claims so we'll likely draw the fire from mafia and it should make it bleedingly obvious whether this captain player is working with town or not too.

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@Tric:

Likewise, one of the first things he says after that, he's not the captain.

Also, if you were paying attention NJW, I did that because I figured two cops with with our abilities makes sense to work together. We can't just nail Mafia to the wall like a normal cop, we are a bit slower. And sense Toony claimed first, I figure he's town. And if I'm town, that also Toony is town to you guys. Funny how you didn't even bother to make that connection, my death means toony is town, ergo one doesn't need to use protection for me, they can protect him instead. Cause the moment I'm nightkilled Toony is cleared. And if he says someone does or doesn't have a gun, that's enough to believe him.

Tric.

The trust is appreciated, however do not make hard claims like this. If you're killed and flip town that doesn't clear me. If I'm killed and flip town that doesn't clear you. I also don't see why you think I would be a target over yourself, as your ability is mechanically way more solid once you have at least two results. Although I suppose we've at least applied pressure on the mafia to kill us first.

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@Webadict:

Quote from: ToonyMan on October 18, 2021, 01:26:24 pm

Although to be fair Web feels like they're lying out of their ass which mucks things up, but whatever.

I lie about a lot of things because I'm actually sending secret messages to the captain.

...Sure, got it.

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Reads

I think Jack is eager to kill NJW and Maximum Spin is eager to kill Webadict, both for questionable reasons.

Therefore I see NJW and Web in a better light than my last reads, besides getting a better feel from Web after rereading.

Vector is still an unknown, but even if they're mafia I don't feel comfortable pursuing that today and it's not like we still can't hit mafia.

Town
Tric
Roden

Townlean
Web
NJW

Null
Vector

Scum
Jack
Maximum Spin

Quote from: TricMagic on October 18, 2021, 08:41:46 am

You should probably protect Toony Jack, I'm not that valuable to the endgame. So proved last round, if not the first. (The chances of me dying N1 seem slim. I don't remember the last time it happened. I'm just too lynchable.)

I'm of the opinion that the push on web was led by Mafia right now. Otherwise a hammer could have been all too easy. Especially if it was Vector. So a Vector/Max team today.

Eh, you won at least one endgame for town without Toonyman (Roguelike mafia), and you're a Parity Cop, which means after you inspect me, and I flip town upon death, you graduate Police Academy and become a Real Cop.  So you're actually more useful than Toonyman on N2.  Roden should know by their N2 orders and the N2 kill whether their captain is town or mafia, so the survival of both you and Toonyman till N2 is critical.

Hey, I was there for the endgame of Roguelike 6.

If we have a Town Vigilante who can only kill if given orders by a Captain, I would humbly suggest Not Killing, as knowing our devious GM FallacyofUrist, pulling that string by a Mafia Captain might be the mafia's only NK.

Also, we should consider with 8 players that the mafia team might be more than 2 mafia.  Maybe not 3 full mafia, but probably a 3rd player that can win with mafia somehow.  We won't know until it is over.

There's no way it's 3 mafia. Even two mafia plus ally seems like too much.


I'm going to be away for most of tomorrow so if we extend the day by 24 hours I'm not going to be very available until probably only a few hours before the deadline.

Quote from: ToonyMan on October 17, 2021, 11:22:03 pm

What is with this behavior? You didn't react to me here and you're being evasive with everyone in general.

I only answer questions I find interesting! What was I even supposed to say to that? I put my vote wherever I think it does the most good, that's all. That said, I don't think I'm being evasive, I just have a certain conversational style.

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Where does this playful confidence stem from?

We haven't interacted too much, have we? This is just me.

How do I agree with your votes and cases if I don't understand them?

I agree completely with webadict which means he's probably mafia, so vote stands.

What does that mean? What do you agree with? Why does that make them probably mafia?

For example, I feel like Web is getting too much heat today. I've been rereading the thread and looking at the votes in this round so far. Why would mafia!Web act like he has been, putting a bullseye on himself and being voted by over half the players (Maximum Spin, Roden, Tric, Jack, Vector)? If Roden didn't switch their vote to Vector then Web would have been hammered with Vector's vote. He's at L-1 right now! In Supernatural 10 mafia!Webadict didn't get more than two votes on himself throughout the entire game I believe. In addition, how would their partner react to this? It doesn't seem believable to me. This is a logical conclusion I have drawn and because I expressed my thoughts it allows others to see them.

Maximum Spin

Reads

I think Tric and Roden are town, again like R1
Web is maybe town or is playing horrible mafia
Don't know about NJW or Vector currently
Jack is suspicious to me
Maximum Spin is suspicious

Where is Jack?