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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R2, Day 2): Searching In The Light
« on: October 12, 2021, 07:01:35 am »
Toonyman, mechanically there is absolutely no way that I can prove to you that I am a jailkeeper.
NJW claims you targeted me and Roden claims you targeted me and only me. That would make it difficult for you to have lovers me and Tric.

So I either believe my own top two town soulreads are scum, Jack and Roden. Or that the scum team is NJW and Vector.

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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R2, Day 2): Searching In The Light
« on: October 12, 2021, 06:57:07 am »
Have any soul reads Met? I don't really feel pressured until mafia can prove they can kill.

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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R2, Day 2): Searching In The Light
« on: October 12, 2021, 12:12:28 am »
@TricMagic:
Why did you redirect me N1 even though I only claimed a day ability?

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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R2, Day 2): Searching In The Light
« on: October 12, 2021, 12:08:12 am »
@Toony so you're proposing a team from me, Roden, and NJW?
Yes I think two mafia are inside Jack/Roden/Vector/NJW right now with Jack and NJW being mutually exclusive.

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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R2, Day 2): Searching In The Light
« on: October 12, 2021, 12:03:22 am »
I still want a response from Roden why they targeted Jack, I think I already know the answer but still.

Also if Roden is being truthful it means Jack is unlikely to be lying so there's that. Not sure why Jack would want to lynch someone who backs up their credibility, even if the claim would be easy to fake for today it would not be so easy in the future. We could make Roden claim their track result before anyone says anything.

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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R2, Day 2): Searching In The Light
« on: October 11, 2021, 10:01:15 pm »
Why Tric doesn't have the mentality of a mafia player:

1.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Tric votes me on D1 after learning my daykill only goes off at the end of the day, seems completely okay with going down if it means solidifying their suspicions.

2.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Tric ties the votes at the end of D1, putting me in a position where I need to vote Tric or NJW for a lynch to occur.

3.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Tric admits he kinda lied about how his redirector ability works, which is completely in town!Tric's meta to do so. I'm not too happy that announce the lover effect here, but it does confirm they are aware of the lover thing at least as I had not specifically stated what had afflicted me at this point. I think Tric is being honest here.


Some other things:

I think some of Jack's behavior this round has SCREAMED their past town self, which makes me unwilling to vote them. The problem is that I don't think NJW is lying either, so...what the fuck happened? Currently between NJW and Jack I would in fact vote Jack over NJW just purely based on mechanical knowledge as NJW is definitely some kind of watcher while Jack is unknown and should have been the top kill target last night.

Jack being mafia also pisses me off because I think their most likely partner is Vector, which is the exact same team as the last round. I guess Roden would be the second most likely, but that just makes me more upset.


Not really feeling Met anymore from what they've said Day 2. Look at the part I highlighted in bold:
This is supposed to be mostly vanilla but it seems like a lot of the high impact roles this setup are bastard. Also, the fact everyone has a power role makes this so scumsided because people are too busy trying to figure out what happened instead of just catching scum. Whoever voted to save me is absolutely town because scum would just pretend to be afk and take a free yeet.

I'm still not confirmable tonight by tracker.
This statement I believe would be very difficult for a mafia player to find the mindset for.

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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R2, Day 2): Searching In The Light
« on: October 11, 2021, 02:02:46 pm »
@Toonyman: How much leeway do you have on your ability's day use? I mean, could you submit it after the vote? Otherwise my plan has the flaw that it creates a snipe hunt, wherein mafia could put in their vote 2 seconds before the deadline.
I can't submit a day action after the day elimination, the day is officially over when that happens.

Vector claims ascetic, but I don't know how that would interact with a watcher.

I have multiple reasons to believe Tric is not mafia based on their behavior. I can try to list these reasons tonight. I also want to go into the psyche of Jack and NJW.

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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R2, Day 2): Searching In The Light
« on: October 11, 2021, 10:17:07 am »
Sorry, had a really busy day. I Tracked Jack and he did target Toony.
Thank you for the claim. Why did you decide on Jack?

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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R2, Day 2): Searching In The Light
« on: October 11, 2021, 10:11:52 am »
Whoever voted to save me is absolutely town because scum would just pretend to be afk and take a free yeet.
That would be Tric. I'm starting to feel the same that Tric is just town.

I'm still not confirmable tonight by tracker.
Is this because nobody is dead still?

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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R2, Day 2): Searching In The Light
« on: October 10, 2021, 10:24:52 pm »
We don't have any idea how the lover skill works.
We don't, but it has to be a targeting ability. It either targets one player or two players. There is no other way. Somebody did this.

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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R2, Day 2): Searching In The Light
« on: October 10, 2021, 10:18:31 pm »
Tric claims to have targeted you as well.

A watcher sees what players targeted their target.

I targeted no one.
NJW claims they only targeted me.
Tric claims they targeted me and Jack.
Jack claims they only targeted me.

"Visit" doesn't mean anything here. When a player redirects someone to another they don't go inside their houses. When a player jailkeeps someone they don't go inside their house. A watcher will just see who targeted that player. There are exceptions here, but everyone's claims mostly line up with what NJW has claimed. One exception would be if this Lover ability had a ninja passive which would allow it to bypass a watcher's notice, but I find that hard to believe right now.

If someone was watching you last night Jack then we would know whether or not Tric had targeted you, as you were one of Tric's targets.

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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R2, Day 2): Searching In The Light
« on: October 10, 2021, 09:34:25 pm »
Tric picks two targets, correct.

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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R2, Day 2): Searching In The Light
« on: October 10, 2021, 09:24:52 pm »
Then how did I become lovers with Tric if they only targeted Tric? Tric claims to have targeted me AND Jack. If it's some spread bullshit that snuck around NJW's watch then it would have affected you as well Jack, not just me.

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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R2, Day 2): Searching In The Light
« on: October 10, 2021, 08:36:22 pm »
A much more reasonable conclusion is that mafia didn't expect NJW to watch me (as NJW hadn't claimed his ability) and could have passed off the person who made me and Tric lovers as "some unknown third person", but because NJW claims that it was two, and only two, players that targeted me it falls apart.

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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 (R2, Day 2): Searching In The Light
« on: October 10, 2021, 08:29:46 pm »
Assuming that Toonyman, TricMagic, EuchreJack, and NJW are town.
This can never be true. At least one person is lying in this group. This group has at least one mafia.
Why?
Somebody made me and Tric lovers last night. We can confirm this between the two of us.

NJW was watching me, this is at least a partially truthful claim as they had unknowable knowledge otherwise. They most likely gained this information themselves as they slammed down their results immediately at the start of Day 2.

Somebody targeted me (and Tric presumably) with Lover status last night.

1. I can't be lying as that would mean Jack was roleblocking me and Tric was redirecting me onto Jack, it's not possible for me to Lovers Tric.
2. Tric could be lying and actually targeted me with Lovers.
3. Jack could be lying and actually targeted me with Lovers.
4. NJW could be lying and is withholding a third player who targeted me and Tric, this would have to be their mafia partner OR they have an ability that watches that player AND puts Lovers on them and another player, which sounds broken and unlikely.

The only way all of us are being truthful is if the Lovers ability is undetectable, which would be bullshit and I'll boycott this game.

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