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Assuming that Toonyman, TricMagic, EuchreJack, and NJW are town.

This can never be true. At least one person is lying in this group. This group has at least one mafia.

Why are we assuming that Lover-infector had to visit Toonyman?  Why not have it trigger on visiting Tric instead? Or why require the visitation at all?
Maybe it was pick at start, pick at day 1, pick at night.

You would be informed during the day if something happened to you. I wasn't informed of anything during Day 1. It wasn't a day ability.

For the other point, it's possible the Lover status could have transferred from Tric over to me, but in that case why weren't you struck with Lover sickness Jack?

Neither of these cases work.

Hypothesis:
Mafia didn't perform a mafiakill last night.

Evidence:
Nobody died, from my POV the only possibility a kill would have happened but failed would be if mafia tried to kill me and Jack protected it, but NJW's claim counters this unless exactly Tric is the would-be killer. In addition, mafia should attempt to kill Jack here every time as they are the doctor. Not me.

Speculation:
Mafia making two town players lovers, but also not killing anyone that night sounds reasonably balanced for this setup.

EuchreJack

Stop. We can talk through this.

Looking at things, I can hope they could clear it up(they being Vector/Met). Met might be a vig, in which case we could save the poison kill. Hence him considering it 'death heavy'. With Lover that would certainly track.

This is a reasonable conclusion. Met also asked for a tracker to follow them N2 to confirm them which makes me think Met could be a N2+ one-shot vig or something.

I'm starting to get a picture of this setup. Maybe FoU gave town a bunch of ways to kill while mafia are trying to make town self-destruct each other with their abilities?

NJW2000 is town.

Now hold up. NJW is most likely telling the truth that he watched me last night since he claimed before either you or Tric did. That isn't the same thing as 100% town.

Also I apologize but I read the Lovers status wrong. We don't both die simultaneously, the one who is still alive will die at the end of the following day.

Tric I strongly recommend in future games not to admit being lovers in case mafia wasn't the one that did that to us, although in this case it's extremely unlikely given that NJW's claim is 99% true which means either Tric or Jack is STILL lying about their night action making people lovers. Aka one of them is mafia and made me and Tric lovers.

... Right, apparently no guarantee of you being town. Which is annoying, I'd have liked to put the Toony/Jack team out of my head, but seems that's still possible. Least you won't survive once I flip town, and we'd know jack is scum.

I admire your commitment at least.

How about this, if you're really town then Jack is like 99% mafia. I will poison you today just in case and we vote off Jack today. At least one of you is mafia so town should still be able to win. Sound good?

What I'm surprised about is that I am alive and unaffected (as far as I know) by anything.

I 100% expected myself, you, or Roden to die last night.

? Doesn't Jailing protect from that? I'd assumed it would block every action made.

As well I'd think you could make more use of... I don't understand why?

Jailkeeping protects from kills and blocks players from doing anything as far as I can tell. I don't believe it stops other things from happening to someone.

There is of course the fourth possibility, which is that YOU are lying. Why the sudden shift in beliefs, Toony?

Sorry, but I don't think you're lying NJW.

Tric and Jack (or another party who could have targeted me) could easily disprove your claim. It would be insane to guess.

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Also, I got hit by the Lover effect last night. Which means that Jack's ability isn't what he claims, since it's Toonyman I'm lover's with. Which if he was jailed, shouldn't have happened. I guess I'd be hit by it, but not Toony.

Being jailkeep'd wouldn't have stopped that Tric.

Dude you're lying your ass off. Why would town!Tric admit he was lovers with me? A town player should never admit they are lovers like you just have.

Claim: I Watched ToonyMan. He was visited by TricMagic and EuchreJack.

Oh man.

I can confirm somebody targeted me last night since I was targeted by a quite bad negative effect that will persist until the game is over.

The thing is, what I was hit by is not accounted for in Tric or Jack's role claim. Which means one of them is lying about their role.