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Mafia / Re: Invitation to Mafia Championship - Season 8
« on: July 31, 2021, 06:54:14 pm »
Quote from: Magma Mater on July 31, 2021, 06:44:48 pm
Congrats on advancing Toony!
Thanks, I wouldn't say I've advanced though. I've been picked as a backup sub from Game 1. I don't think it's likely I play in semis, but it's possible.

I think my playstyle is polarizing so I'm not too surprised players have mixed feelings about it. I'm quite happy with my Day 3 performance so I'll just be proud of that.

Quote from: Magma Mater on July 31, 2021, 06:44:48 pm
Unfortunately I was passed over. The jury didn't like my controversial posting style I guess.  :-\
What really? I had no idea you were playing in qualifiers, who were you?

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Mafia / Re: Games Threshold Discussion and List
« on: July 29, 2021, 08:56:45 pm »
Quote from: prefuzek on July 29, 2021, 04:28:43 pm
I could run U, Robot again while we wait for some more players to show up. Or I could look for/come up with some other mini-setup.
Sounds good.

Quote from: EuchreJack on July 29, 2021, 08:39:20 pm
Hm, how about a Spy vs. Spy setup, where there are two scum teams of 2 players each with only the night kill, remaining players are town, one townie is vigilante?

Should be a fast-and-brutal setup.
How many players though? That could work with more players, but not if the town aren't a majority.

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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3: Thrice is Nice (7 / 9+)
« on: July 29, 2021, 01:47:32 pm »
A lot of regulars are busy or away this summer.

As for standards, I think at least half the new players have done very well. There's no reason to lock anybody out if they're willing to be here to play. Any attitude someone has with another player is because they're trying to scumhunt (or pretend to).

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Mafia / Re: Games Threshold Discussion and List
« on: July 22, 2021, 07:18:05 pm »
Maybe run another mini that's 7 players instead and shelf MVM3 for now?

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Mafia / Re: Banter Thread
« on: July 14, 2021, 05:36:30 pm »
Let me look through my sockpuppets...

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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3: Thrice is Nice (5 / 9+)
« on: July 10, 2021, 05:46:50 pm »
Quote from: EuchreJack on July 10, 2021, 05:40:58 pm
Quote from: NJW2000 on July 10, 2021, 04:59:43 pm
In please! Attempting another large game may be hubris, but I'll try not to screw this up as badly as last time.
You certainly rocked the Robot game!
BYOR15 did not go very well for town...

Edit:
I thought it was 0 for some reason.

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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3: Thrice is Nice (0 / 9+)
« on: July 09, 2021, 05:59:44 pm »
The lore continues.

In.

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Mafia / Re: Games Threshold Discussion and List
« on: July 09, 2021, 02:16:18 pm »
I'd rather see Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 over FBYOR5. BYORs can eat dirt.

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Mafia / Re: Banter Thread
« on: July 09, 2021, 12:21:44 pm »
Anybody want to comment on their roll luck?

I seem to always get town as an important power role. For example, I was a doctor in CYOM4, Supernatural 10, Gnosia, and my MU Champs game all in a row. In addition, I have only been mafia once in a significant game (not a mini) recently out of a dozen, that being MVM2.

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Mafia / Re: Games Threshold Discussion and List
« on: July 08, 2021, 03:26:32 pm »
Quote from: FallacyofUrist on July 07, 2021, 05:36:14 pm
MATRIX6 has ended.

Anyone ahead of me want to run their game next? Or should I put Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3 / FBYOR 5 (depending on which is wanted more) into signups?

Haven't seen 4mask or Jim post in awhile so maybe PM both about it?

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Mafia / Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 4/9 [Eruption: Fallacy of Logic- Hackers Win]
« on: July 07, 2021, 09:22:05 pm »
It's not to lie.

Honestly suspecting every player is fine and I expect that at the start of the game, but again, keep notes of what people are saying/doing/attacking/defending and whether they're being natural or consistent. Your town read of Hedgerow was correct, but you should not have rubbed it in my face. To me, that's something newbie mafia!Jack would do because they already knew Hedgerow was town, not because their read was correct. At one point you suspected Roden simply because I did not suspect Roden, does that sound reasonable to you?

Here's a thought process to have as town:

What's the best way I can help town right now? Who do I trust or suspect? Why do I trust or suspect them? How can I explain my intentions in the most clear - and therefore - townie way?

Here's what you should be thinking as mafia:

What's the best way I can look like I'm helping town right now? What can I do that will cause confusion while also making myself appear genuine and therefore, townie?

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Mafia / Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 4/9 [Eruption: Fallacy of Logic- Hackers Win]
« on: July 07, 2021, 08:35:22 pm »
What more do you want Jack?

You're half the posts in this game. You town read and mafia read every player on every day. I gave a big advice post to you during D1 under the assumption that you were town about how I play the game, since that's led to my success. You say you "KNEW" I was town, but your actions don't reflect this and you antagonized me constantly throughout the game. I didn't know what you were really feeling at all at any point since your stance/opinion would change at any moment.

D1 advice post:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Look at this example of Jack/FoU logic I gave on D1:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Did you notice that I only voted FoU and not you, Jack? It's because I would always want to kill FoU here first because I was more confident in that read. I can't blame Roden for giving into Jack bloodlust, but killing FoU first was the correct play for D3 even if D4 would have likely been a mafia win still.

As town, you want to be judging player's reads of yourself because you can sometimes get a good sense of whether they're legit or not based on the reasoning they give for trusting someone. This post is my biggest reason for town reading you. As town you need to evaluate other players, but also look at how other players look at you. Sure, being self-destructive could make you obviously town, but you're going to be screwed when you roll mafia and your flailing defensiveness or self-vote gambits just get you killed such as this game.

And yes, I did antagonize you a lot during this game, but it was because I didn't trust you. Please also consider this post I made on D2:
Quote from: ToonyMan on July 02, 2021, 12:08:02 pm
Quote from: EuchreJack on July 02, 2021, 11:58:31 am
EVERYONE is possible scum.  There are no absolute town.  It's just a factor of degrees.

I've a veteran of the Paranoia forums.  Stay Alert! Trust No One! Keep Your Laser Handy!
I'm used to waiting for inevitable betrayal from all directions.
But why are your town reads suddenly no good? I built up trust with Roden (and to a lesser extent Magma) that I find hard to let go. I want to believe my town reads are correct and I'm constantly reaffirming myself whether I believe them or not. The more or stronger town reads I have on someone the harder it is for me to let that go beyond indisputable proof.

You're dropping your Toony and FoU town reads into the mud with every other player you also scum read like it's nothing. You voted one of your town reads without batting an eye because somebody told you to. You then proceeded to vote your other town read. How do you expect to win with this mentality?

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Mafia / Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 4/9 [Eruption: Fallacy of Logic- Hackers Win]
« on: July 07, 2021, 07:16:15 pm »
Quote from: EuchreJack on July 07, 2021, 06:54:23 pm
Nah, that is fair.  I just wish I understood what I did wrong D2.  I sorta understand D3, but the problem I'm having is that I actually thought I was doing well.
I think I can help with this. To me it felt like you were willing to vote anybody on D2. That's why I pressured you to vote FoU. I fully expected town!Jack to be more cautious and disagree with me, but the one time you go along with what I say is when it's to vote a player you didn't really suspect in a mylo situation. I couldn't understand why a town POV would do this ever.

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Mafia / Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 4/9 [Eruption: Fallacy of Logic- Hackers Win]
« on: July 07, 2021, 07:09:51 pm »
Quote from: EuchreJack on July 07, 2021, 06:54:23 pm
Also, you were not a great trainer for Hedgerow.
I did everything in my power to help Hedgerow.

Quote from: EuchreJack on July 07, 2021, 06:54:23 pm
I think maybe you suspect people just because they figured out stuff that you haven't.  I feel that is unfair.
I do suspect people who seem to know too much as that's a good scum tell, it's important to draw conclusions in way you can clearly express and not change your opinion suddenly or without reasoning.

Quote from: Vector on July 07, 2021, 07:02:19 pm
It's honestly good that we didn't have the Webadict/Toony dream team in this game, since it's not especially helpful for anyone to get used to playing against the same person in every outing.
Has this ever even happened? I feel like every time Web gets mafia, I get town, and town loses.

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Mafia / Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 4/9 [Eruption: Fallacy of Logic- Hackers Win]
« on: July 07, 2021, 06:32:06 pm »
My Night Action Logic
I tracked Bluarian on N1, suspecting them to quietly carry the kill out. Unfortunately, whenever Blu is actually town they die immediately. I tracked Jack on N2 as FoU was obvscum and I suspected they wouldn't be the one that performs the kill. I didn't really want to be a PR since I was dying at night no matter what I did...

Anyway, I want to comment on Magma's play here.

Magma's Mafia Play
Nothing Magma did on D1 set off my town tell senses, but these two posts on D2 did:

#304 - Magma reads me as town with a completely reasonable conclusion after suspecting me on D1, very well played mafia post.
#326 - I'm a sucker for these kinds of posts AND they put FoU as their top suspect. FoU was a dead man, but Magma completely covered their tracks. This is a very good bus post, in addition they jumped on the FoU wagon at the end of Day 1 which makes the bus very convincing.

I base my reads off logic and intuition, but I'm not infallible and find most of my success when working with the rest of town. You can't expect to solve a game on your own so you need to be cooperative with other players whether you suspect them or not. Maybe I could have realized that FoU was purposely playing bad to eat the bus and implicate Jack, but it's easier when you have other sets of eyes to help you. Roden and Pref suspected Magma/FoU at EOD2, for example.

As town (or mafia pretending to be town) it's important to have a natural logic to your posts to come off as genuine and I don't think Magma gave any hard tells that they were behaving unnaturally which is the main reason I couldn't pin them down. Maybe if I had more time and did the Magma ISO I would have seen things differently, but probably not.


PPE:

@Jack:
Not to be too harsh Jack, but Roden and Pref had the mafia team solved at EOD2. They both wanted FoU/Magma dead, it was literally just me that couldn't believe your play during D2, which you did nothing to change during D3. This caused Roden to break their reads in favor of trusting my reads more as you were acting out far too much.

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