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Messages - ToonyMan

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Also, lol at scumchat:

Nope. Not if you both leave your votes on me for a full 24 hours or something. There's going to be at least one or two hours in that time span where mafia can communicate and do the quickhammer.
... what? Brain hurty.
Let me help little brain FoU.

Scum #1 posts at 9am - "Hey Toony has two votes on him, let's coordinate a quickhammer so we just win."
Scum #2 at like 2pm - "Alright man, how about at 9pm today or if that doesn't work for you I can be around for 9am tomorrow to perform the quickhammer."
Scum #1 posts at like 3pm - "Cool cool, yeah 9pm works for me."
or
Scum #1 posts at like 3pm - "9pm is too late for me sorry, but yeah I can do 9am tomorrow, see you there."

Quote from: Scum #1 at 10am
I'll be online all day, let me know when you can do a quickhammer
Quote from: Scum #2 at 5pm
Right, let me know when you're available. If there's still a town vote placed, we can go ahead and win this.
Quote from: Scum #1 at 5pm
I'm online now
Quote from: Scum #1 at 5:41pm
at :45, in 4 minutes?
Quote from: Scum #2 at 5:41pm
Got it.

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Jack your self-vote actually did confirm that Roden and Pref were town, but it still left the two mafia inside FoU/Magma/Jack and everyone wanted to kill you for acting insane during lylo. You might have been able to leverage that Roden and Pref were 100% town if you weren't butting heads with Roden so much and calmed down.



EDIT:
Actually I guess it would just prove that at least one inside Roden/Pref is town. Good enough. :P

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I'm actually surprised my original guess on Magma was correct lol. Even if we got FoU today I think Magma likely wins in a final three scenario since I'd moved on from suspecting them. GG to mafia.
This is true. I would have never voted Magma in a F3. I expected FoU to die during D3 honestly.

Jack since you were town I would seriously take to heart what I said during the game as it will improve your play whether you're town or mafia.

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Wow, impressive scum play Magma.

I had Web/FoU but I deduced they were putting Jack into the towncore and not Magma.

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Mafia / Re: Games Threshold Discussion and List
« on: July 06, 2021, 09:20:44 pm »
Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3
*Eyes light up*

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Bah I'm dead, good luck town.

(btw Tric it's 5/9 players left)

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Reads:

Town
Magma
Roden

Pref

Jack
FoU
Mafia

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Keep me alive for tomorrow then.

No Lynch

Good luck guys.

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Toony: how do you explain scum Euchre defending hedgerow D1?
TMI.

He even says this after on D2:
You all, except Pref, mislynched Hedgerow after I told you not to do it.  You've played with me before.  You should expect me to be rude to you for that.
Yes, I know it isn't "optimum townie play".  But you were wrong, I was right, you didn't listen to me, and now Hedgerow is dead.
Jack is surprisingly confident in their Hedgerow town read. The "I told you so" attitude comes off really bad.

Another thing I find extremely annoying is that Jack specifically has been bugging me to explain terms like TMI and POE even though I know for a fact Jack read the Championship game I was in for MU and players used those terms consistently throughout the game. Why in the world does Jack ask me what these mafia definitions are if he already knows them? The only thing I can think of is that Jack is trying to "generate content", it's a form of active-lurking you would do as mafia:

Could you tell me what TMI means?
If nothing else, give us your POE.

@Toonyman: What is POE? I thought it was Person of Interest, but I'm having some trouble with the concept.  Is it one person or several?
I know we're supposed to be doing it, and maybe I already am, but I'd like to know how to correctly be doing it.

They sound very fake here, just like FoU.

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I only suspect Pref/Roden at this point becasue:

1. They have no significant interactions with each other.
2. Roden was extremely unwilling to vote Pref over Magma and I have no idea why still since their explanation was bad.

But everything else Roden has done has been very town and I don't think them trying to get FoU lynched today is a scum move at all.

I expect the mafiakill tonight to be either me or Roden which I guess is fine since Magma is 100% town.

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As far as I can tell, the favoured pairings are currently:

Magma -> FoU/pref
Toony -> FoU/Jack
Jack -> pref/Magma
pref -> FoU/Magma
FoU -> Toony/Magma
Roden -> FoU/Magma

Do I have that right?
This pretty much cements in my mind that it's FoU/Jack or Pref/Roden. Pref/Roden is a lot less likely in my opinion. FoU/Magma and FoU/Pref both don't make any sense to me.

@Toonyman: Are you going to be able to do the Magma ISO you promised?
I didn't promise a Magma ISO and no because Magma is town and I'm busy today. I have no idea why people are willing to vote Magma.

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Scummy
Hedgerow - blatantly scummy, if they're not a hit then I think the two mafia are in Magma/Blu/Pref/Rolan
Did you ever clarify what you meant by 'blatantly scummy'? Because in retrospect, that doesn't look as good. Looks more like malice - or mistaking hedgerow's PR tells for scum tells.
Hedgerow had no reads beyond "Roden and Jack are mafia" before changing it to "Roden is mafia, Jack is town".

They openly refused to interact with most players and just wanted Roden dead for suggesting that the BP step forward:
@Hedgerow:
Got anything to say besides BP mechanics?
No.

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Here's a question for you, actually. Is it scummy, at this point, to post speculation on who has the last town power role? Because I think I know who it is. And of course that person must be town, so I find myself in the position of needing to fake a worse read on them so the scum don't catch on. I might have spoiled it already by saying this much, unfortunately, but I think it's more valuable to share this fact so I don't create confusion.
I strongly discourage any genuine PR hunting when it's the only thing mafia want today.

Are you planning to lead town like usual?
Yes. I would also expect more standard play from me.
What is Toony's standard play?
When I said this at the start of the game I didn't mean standard Toony play, I meant standard play in general. Hence why I didn't want to rock the boat too much and didn't push cases very aggressively. I was going to ask Tric if I could still post green text advice if I died N1, but I didn't have to since I'm still here.

Now that it's D2 and everything has gone wrong I want to do as much as possible before mafia probably kill me tonight. Pref is right that I'm basically playing as I would in a serious champs game at this point because town have been severely hurt by a D1 dead PR and D2 town modkill. I don't expect or even want to be around tomorrow and would like to see the rest of town win the game through their own effort.

Overall conclusion: Either I can trust him completely or I can't trust him at all. Leaning towards the latter, though I admit I may be lying. Or just wrong.
Insightful. You should be honest with your scumhunting, there's no reason to mask your reads. Scumhunting is not the same thing as PR hunting, at all. What happens if you're killed tonight and your deceitful reads are used against town? Or is this not something that comes to mind since you're mafia?

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If I had to guess FoU was busy/away so Jack gave the N1 kill action by themselves without any input from FoU.

1. Bluarian suspected Jack pretty hard so mafia!Jack would likely want to kill them to silence a detractor. Plus as Jack admitted himself he believed Bluarian was a likely PR hit.
2. FoU had Bluarian as their top suspect after Hedgerow, it doesn't make sense for mafia!FoU to want to kill Bluarian here unless Jack gave the kill order without getting any input from FoU.
3. TricMagic stated D2 would start once all actions have been submitted, FoU is the main player I can think of who would not have been around for most of N1 due to being busy/their schedule.

In general, Jack's defense against them being partners with FoU falls apart when you consider FoU isn't around 24/7 to help Jack out in scum chat.

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I'll have more to say after some sleep. Before that though...

FoU's posts are comparable to porn acting in terms of believability.
This is the funniest shit I've read in this game so far.

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