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@FoU and Jack:

My partner would be Prefuzek, and we killed Bluarian because we thought he was a likely power role.

1) My partner is Prefuzek.

Guys.

You're killing me.

Neither of you think your most likely mafia partner would be the other, what the fuck??

Both of you have spent this entire game only fueling my believe of my first reads list.

@FoU:
Tell me exactly why Jack is a solid town read for you and why Pref is a more likely partner than Jack.

@Jack:
Tell me exactly why FoU is a solid town read for you and why Pref is a more likely partner than FoU.

Quote from: ToonyMan on July 01, 2021, 11:32:22 pm

Oh, by the way...

An ISO is an isolated read/case of a player where you read through each of that player's posts in the game on their own and judge them. There are also multi-ISOs where you do isolated reads among multiple players.

Oh thank god you said that Toonyman.  I was going to ask, but I didn't think your nerves could survive one more question from me.

You know why I don't like this attitude one single bit?

This is exactly how mafia!Jack would act while laughing in scum chat. I am 100% certain.

Peoples' reads (esp. ToonyMan's) make no sense.

Toony...
[...]
Nothing you're saying here makes sense. :/

Sorry my top POE row should say

"Toony -> Pref/Magma or Pref/Roden or Jack/FoU"

aka

"Toony -> Everyone"

@Toonyman [Veteran Player]: I don't think I've ever played D2 before.  Could you tell me generally what we are supposed to be doing?

Let's play a game within a game.

Everyone, join me please.

Pretend you're mafia. If you're already mafia then just be honest.

Answer these question:
1. Who is your mafia partner in this world?
2. What is your reasoning for killing Bluarian on N1?

I'll answer first.

My mafia partner would be Roden.
We kill Bluarian instead of Jack or Magma because we can just push for a Pref or Rolan lynch on D2. With Rolan being modkilled we change our POE to Pref/Magma. It is an easy victory.

Pref: The Motion Picture

#64 - Opening post, responds to Magma's question and my vote on them. Votes Jack for "focusing on looking town and not finding mafia." Also questions Hedgerow with suspicion.

Originally I thought this made Pref look good because they felt the same way I did about Jack while also voting them for it. Could still be true if the team really is Jack/FoU...

#126 - Gives a reads list. Defends their suspicious read of Hedgerow from Magma. Tells Rolan to vote someone.

Here's their reads:

BluarianKnight - town lean
EuchreJack - not getting the strong town vibes I usually do. In the past Jack's looked like they have no idea who's who and flail around because of it. They're still posting a lot but I think they have more information this time so it's less erratic. Scum, going to leave my vote for now
Magma Mater - strong town
webadict - up for replacement D1 so doesn't really matter. I disagree with some of their reads though
hedgerow - my gut said their first couple (very short) posts were scummy. This post would be super audacious for a new scum though so I don't know what to think. I'm guessing they'll be a lynch target today, good to keep an eye on.
Roden - probably town for suggesting BP step forward first
Rolan7 - null
ToonyMan - not playing normally (because of vet status?). Scum lean
Overall guess: 1 scum between EuchreJack/hedgerow and 1 scum between Toonyman/webadict/BluarianKnight.

They town read Bluarian, Magma, and Roden. Magma being the strongest of the three.
They scum read Jack and Toony.
They null read Web/FoU, Hedgerow, and Rolan.

They don't put Magma or Roden in their scum guess lists. Interesting that they slotted Bluarian into the scum guesses even though they had a town lean on them.

#135 - Attacks Jack, is still suspicious of Jack and Hedgerow.

Pref is continuing to throw doubt on Jack and Hedgerow. This looks very natural, it is unlikely to be an act. This means it's likely not a bus or distancing attempt.

#140 - Defends their scum read of Jack from Jack.

This is suppose to be a Pref ISO, but Jack really needs to tone down how defensive he gets when anyone even thinks of suspecting him, it's annoying and scummy. Defending yourself is fine but it can't be all you do, which they've at least shown they're capable of...kind of...I guess.

Moving on...this is another reason why Pref/Jack being mafia together just isn't a thing.

#148 - Throws their hands in the air about Hedgerow. Responds to Jack. Upgrades their read of Toony from scum lean to null after Magma questions them about it.

Questionable post from Pref. They're voting Jack still but seem content waiting around just suspecting Hedgerow and Jack. Pref doesn't give any exact reasoning why he moves me up to null when Magma asks. This makes me believe his read of me was arbitary or made up.

#186 - Votes for an extension.

Nothing to say here except they weren't the one who started the request.

#225 - Opposes Jack's vote for a second extension. Dislikes my argument that Jack is town, but agrees that Jack is probably town now. Unvotes Jack. Is null about Hedgerow, but agrees with Roden that Hedgerow might have scumslipped. Is suspicious of FoU more and builds a small case on them while voting FoU.

Pref might be sure the Hedgerow lynch is going to happen so they pick a "better" target instead to avoid associating with the Hedgerow wagon. Personally I don't think their case on FoU is very strong. It could mean that Pref is trying to distance from their scum partner, but I don't see it myself.

If Pref is town they should be pushing for FoU/Jack as the mafia team today, not FoU/Toony. Or at least should be wary of FoU/Jack at least even remotely. The fact they aren't is scummy.

#240 - Attacks Toony. Is okay with a Hedgerow lynch, but FoU seems better. Keeps voting FoU.

I don't think a Pref/FoU mafia team risks a FoU lynch actually happening on D1 of this Matrix6 setup. The town PRs would eat the last mafia alive if not the players themselves.

#242 - Reads Bluarian as medium town after Jack asks.

A bit wishy-washy about Bluarian. They're a town lean, but also okay to lynch, but doesn't seem willing to lynch here.

In Pref's favor the fact Bluarian was the mafiakill on N1 is very strange, it's not an optimal choice for any mafia combination. Does this show an incompetence of the mafia team, or the illusion of incompetence?

#248 - More banter with Jack. Maintains the Blue town read. Thinks it's possible Web was scum and doesn't want to speculate on the replace out. Tells Toony they aren't trying to give off null vibes, some people are just born with a heart full of neutrality. Toony asks them if they're more against lynching Bluarian or Rolan, Pref doesn't prefer either but if they had to choose they would lynch Rolan first.

I don't see any elaboration why they think Web/FoU are scum. Unfortunately I asked them a question that had two town in it, womp womp. Their "heart full of neutrality" response is pretty funny.

#343 - First post of Day 2. Is very sure that Roden/Magma/Jack are town and thus FoU and Toony are scum. Says that Toony's reads make no sense. Is upset that we go straight from D1 to MYLO.

Thinks me and FoU are scum because of pure POE. Why are they so sure Roden/Magma/Jack are town? I understand Magma maybe since they read Magma as strong town, but why Roden and Jack? They have little interactions with Roden. Jack is more plausible, but their complete lack of suspicion now is strange to me.

#344 - Gives a reason for why FoU and Toony are scum based on the Hedgerow wagon. Roden is probably okay because he voted Hedgerow first. Magma was just avoiding ties.

Weak case on me and FoU. What about Jack?

After doing Pref's ISO I think he is still the best hit for mafia but I want to question him more thoroughly.

Pref, if you're town the mafia team has to be Jack/FoU. Magma/Roden is an insane world that blows my mind and I'm not mafia. It has to be Jack/FoU. If you need me to answer anything I'm here. I don't want to get owned by a Jack/FoU team because that would be incredibly embarrassing for me after D1.

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@FallacyofUrist:
You're next.

I've been hating Jack's posts today so much so you better damn hope you kill me tonight for lylo. I could swing either way right now on these two teams.

Why'd you kill Bluarian?

Currently think Pref is the likeliest hit.

If Pref is town we lose tomorrow so I'll try to ISO them myself today.

If Pref is mafia I think I can officially clear Jack and FoU from being mafia no matter what they say or do. Leaving Roden and Magma as the possible partner. I'll also try to determine this myself today since I'm not as optimistic as Roden that mafia would only kill between Roden/Jack and not just kill me.