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Mafia / Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 7/9 [Day 2: Cyber Sea Blues]
« on: June 30, 2021, 06:52:54 pm »
(This was written during Night 1.)

I need to address something first.

Spoiler: @Hedgerow: (click to show/hide)

Moving on...

Spoiler: N1 Thoughts (click to show/hide)


I'm surprised by the Bluarian kill. This must have been a "looking for the other PR" kill or they wanted to remove someone from my FoU/Blu/Me lylo list so thanks for that.

This leaves my POE - or Process of Elimination - with Pref/Magma/Rolan.

@TricMagic:
Quote from: TricMagic on June 30, 2021, 06:29:56 pm
As Rolan7 is no longer in play, they no longer count for victory conditions. This may change if another takes up the torch before the day ends.

If no replacement is found for Rolan7, this could count as Mislynch and Lose.(Or MYLO. In comparison to Lynch or Lose[LYLO] where you have to lynch.) Note this only applies if Rolan7 is town.

No. This isn't acceptable. You can't gimp town today if Rolan is town and force us to vote no lynch. That's not fair.

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Mafia / Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« on: June 30, 2021, 09:34:43 am »
I don't believe Roden is mafia buddying me. Why would they back off the Jack wagon when it was going strong? They're the ones who first discouraged it, a pointless effort if they're mafia. No, I think their interactions with me and Jack show a clear desire to solve and strikes me as town.

@Jack:
Magma is preventing a last minute tie if Hedgerow is going for the snipe tie vote.

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Mafia / Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« on: June 30, 2021, 09:24:32 am »
Quote from: TricMagic on June 29, 2021, 09:55:57 am
Fun fact, Magma's vote extension was just a bit late. Not that it matters much given five players spoke for an extension and me just getting back.
(Outside of extensions that won't be the case though. Good Luck.)

Last of the First Day Votecount, 9:56 AM

() BluarianKnight
(2) EuchreJack- hedgrow, prefuzek,
(0) prefuzek -
() Magma Mater
(0) webadictFallacyofUrist -
(2) hedgerow- BluarianKnight, Roden
(0) Roden-
(1) Rolan7- Toonyman
(1) ToonyMan[Veteran Player]- Magma Mater

3 not voting. 5 to lynch.

Day ends on Wednesday 9:40 AM Central Time

If I remember correctly, ties result in no lynch normally.

At least according to this it's a no lynch.

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Mafia / Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« on: June 30, 2021, 09:22:46 am »
Quote from: Magma Mater on June 30, 2021, 09:21:50 am
What happens when there's a tie?
Nobody dies.

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Mafia / Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« on: June 30, 2021, 09:18:40 am »
Why? You're going to be eliminated in 20 minutes if you don't vote to save yourself.

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Mafia / Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« on: June 30, 2021, 09:12:13 am »
@Hedgerow:
Quote from: ToonyMan on June 30, 2021, 09:06:34 am
Your only scum reads were Jack and Roden. Now you seem to think Jack is town?

Your response makes it clear you're not a PR at least.

You could tie the vote by voting FoU, why aren't you?
What I mean here is that your only reads were that Jack and Roden were scum.

I don't want a tie, but it doesn't make sense from your POV not to vote FoU here regardless of your alignment.

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Mafia / Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« on: June 30, 2021, 09:06:34 am »
Your only scum reads were Jack and Roden. Now you seem to think Jack is town?

Your response makes it clear you're not a PR at least.

You could tie the vote by voting FoU, why aren't you?

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Mafia / Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« on: June 30, 2021, 07:58:24 am »
What do you mean? If Hedgerow claims a PR I would rather vote anybody else over them. We might not have time to validate the claim but...

1. If they're town we are more likely to hit mafia today.
2. If they're mafia they will be outed tomorrow once we validate since the trade is worth it for town.

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Mafia / Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« on: June 30, 2021, 07:40:50 am »
@Tric:
Pref is voting FoU.

@Hedgerow:
You need to claim since you're the top wagon and day ends soon. If you're actually a PR we don't want to vote you.

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Mafia / Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« on: June 30, 2021, 06:15:20 am »
Fine.

Hedgerow

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Mafia / Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« on: June 29, 2021, 11:38:27 pm »
This isn't updated with Jack and FoU's new read lists since I need to go to bed soon.

Absolute Values, total feelings a player gives off to others

EuchreJack (+2,-2,+0,+1,+2,-2,+1,+0) = 10
Roden (+2,+0,-2,+1,+2,+1,-2,+0) = 10

ToonyMan (+1,-1,-1,-2,+1,+0,+2,+0) = 8
Magma Mater (+1,+1,+0,+2,+2,+0,+2,+0) = 8

hedgerow (-2,+1,+0,+0,+0,+2,-2,+0) = 7

BluarianKnight (+1,-1,+1,+1,-1,+0,+1,+0) = 6

FallacyofUrist (+1,+0,+0,-2,-2,+0,+0,+0) = 5

prefuzek (+0,+1,-1,-1,+0,+0,+0,+0) = 3

Rolan7 (+0,+1,+0,+0,+0,+0,+0,+0) = 1


Observations:

Jack and Roden give off very strong feelings.

Toony and Magma also give off strong feelings.

Hedgerow and Bluarian give off mild feelings.

FoU is a sub in so the lower feelings make sense.

Pref and Rolan give off very low feelings.

Personally, I think this makes Jack, Roden, me, and Magma look possibly good.
Hedgerow and Bluarian are a bit more mixed with FoU.
Pref and Rolan are very null presences.

The reasoning for this is because mafia probably want to not get caught up in the heat of things since it could give them away more easily. A mafia player will want to hang back and not arouse suspicion, which will also cause a lack of strong feelings too.

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Mafia / Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« on: June 29, 2021, 11:25:55 pm »
Quote from: prefuzek on June 29, 2021, 11:08:28 pm
ToonyMan: Have you been possessed by the spirit of notquitethere? What's the point of those numbers? And why didn't you do a total of absolute values to get a measure of how strongly people felt about each player overall? That seems like it would be a little more useful at least to rank people in order of how useful their lynch would be.
That's a good idea, shit I'm tired though...maybe I could type it out quickly.

I wanted to have a legacy post in case I'm not around tomorrow.

Quote from: prefuzek on June 29, 2021, 11:08:28 pm
But I guess you don't care about getting reads from lynches? I don't see why you would advocate for Rolan otherwise.
I like associative reads but Rolan is unlynchable if we only base stuff on associations.

Quote from: prefuzek on June 29, 2021, 11:08:28 pm
What's your case on hedgerow and why are you townreading FoU? I'd be okay with a hedgerow lynch today but FoU seems better.
Hedgerow is only discussing mechanics in this game and their reads are ridiculous. They claim Roden and Jack are the mafia and that everyone else seems normal. I don't know how they think that's okay. It's so outrageous I don't actually want to vote them which is hilarious. It's arguably a better town read than one-poster Rolan.

I'm townreading FoU because I'm clever and I've re-read Webadict's posts. I don't think mafia!Webadict freaks out at people like that as mafia and quits the game. I know it's bad form to discuss subs, but that's how I feel. Are you spooked now that FoU is posting since they're back home? Who are you more against being lynched, Bluarian or Rolan?

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Mafia / Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« on: June 29, 2021, 11:02:47 pm »
If Bluarian is mafia I think Pref makes the most sense as their partner? Blue goes at Hedgerow really hard and Magma is probably town. Rolan is a wild card so otherwise Blue/Pref makes the most sense to me. It kills me though since Bluarian always rolls mafia.

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Mafia / Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« on: June 29, 2021, 10:47:30 pm »
I also think that if Rolan was town at least one of the mafia would have pushed for a Rolan wagon more aggressively sometime during this Day 1, which did not happen as far as I can tell. This could be an indicator that Rolan is mafia and their partner is just trying to ignore the issue.

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Mafia / Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« on: June 29, 2021, 10:43:00 pm »
@Roden:
Quote from: Roden on June 29, 2021, 07:33:58 pm
Ah, gotcha. I don't think we have any way of sorting Rolan, and I don't think we gain a whole lot from voting them. I think there's a pretty good chance they'll get night killed though if they're town, mafia prevents town from gaining info about associations that way.
I wouldn't nightkill Rolan if I was mafia. They're the perfect mislynch you can use on any day, it's ideal for mafia if Rolan is town.


@Magma:
Quote from: Magma Mater on June 29, 2021, 08:53:38 pm
Quote from: ToonyMan on June 28, 2021, 11:52:54 pm
I feel better about the Web/FoU slot. Here's the thing for me though, Web is really good at reading Jack so if Web thinks Jack is 100% town then that means if Web/FoU is town then Jack is almost certainly town. This point is moot if both are mafia however. I strongly feel Jack is scummy here so I suspect the Web/FoU slot heavily or Web is simply wrong.
This is a little disingenuous. EuchreJack has never rolled wolf (at least on this forum). How do you know that webadict is good at reading Jack, and not that he just town-reads him every time regardless of Jack's alignment? You're treating webadict as if he has some sort of god read on EuchreJack when there's no way of knowing whether that's actually true without seeing a game where Jack is mafia and webadict is town. I'm starting to believe that this is the game where that's happened, and that you're trying to use this to dissolve the EuchreJack wagon.
I genuinely believe Web could accurately read Jack if they're being honest, yes. It's true that neither of us have seen mafia!Jack though.


Who I Want To Vote:
I don't know how I feel about a Hedgerow elimination. I'm okay with it based on what I've seen of them, but it's frustrating if Rolan is mafia. I think I want Rolan or Hedgerow for today. I don't want a FoU lynch currently but I would honestly prefer Rolan over Hedgerow right now since Hedgerow is so openly wolfing it doesn't make sense to me.

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