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Uh, has Tric ever been scum before?

Yes. Vengeful 13 and CYOM4.

He didn't do very well.

You were in CYOM4 so it's odd to ask this.

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That's why I find it a red flag - you want this to go through - makes sense, you set the team, but telling people they're scum if they refuse makes me feel like you'd rather not shuffle teams up again - Town has no reason for that D1. Spies do - if they've got a good bit, or- have a good person to blame once they fail the mission, maybe a perfect setup? Or maybe they just don't want to risk the next person picking all town.

My team doesn't have spies on it though, because I'm the Commander. I'm perfectly justified calling people out for voting FAIL.

I'm giving you a chance to prove yourself here. FoU has already given up by voting FAIL for a Mission 1 team they're on. TricMagic is incapable of reading.

The fact is:
Spies will always PASS a team that has one spy on it (two spies for Mission 4).
Spies will either PASS or FAIL a team that has no spies or too many spies.

I believe it's more likely for spies to PASS a team that has too many spies than a team that has no spies, but they could go either way. On the other hand, there is no universe where spies pass a team that has no spies on it, it's suicide to their wincon.

Fail. We have no need to do a mission right away, and the mission that takes two spies to fail it would be a good place to earn a point.

You voted FAIL without understanding how the game works...

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Quote from: ToonyMan on April 10, 2021, 10:21:27 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on April 10, 2021, 09:20:57 pm

FAIL. Of course I'd be happy to have myself on the mission roster like the good loyal rebel I am, but I want to get more info out of this day.

Why are you failing a mission both me and you are on? Do you think Blue is a spy then?

To answer the question, I'd rather see a few other plans posted and voted on to provide us with more information from this phase. I don't know enough about Blue this game to make a judgement yet. If it was a later mission then I'd probably vote to pass that plan, but it was the very first pick.

And then what? "I'd rather see a few other plans posted" is an excuse. You either have more information than the rest of us, or you're making a bad kneejerk choice.

I just put you on a Mission 1 team, if you're town then you'd know the chances of us passing this mission with no spy sabotages is significantly higher than if you aren't town. Voting FAIL on a Mission 1 team you're on makes no sense.

How do we get a better idea if Blue is a spy when people on board the mission aren't even passing it?

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Also - this is a huge red flag to me too. Toony - people can and SHOULD fail you. The information gained is worth it - calling people spies for doing so is pretty scummy to me.

What?? When does a team get passed then?? You're on this team too??

A team that passes has significantly more value than a team that doesn't pass. Vote analysis on a team that fails has little value compared to a team that is voted to pass, does this make sense? People's reasonings for voting PASS or FAIL are more important for a team that actually goes out on the mission, whether or not the mission succeeds or not.

If we can't even pass a Mission 1 team then we've already lost.

Toony, you idiot. Most WIFOMy play ever. You realize that if we agree you're telling the truth, the spies can just shoot you, right?

Go ahead.

FAIL. Of course I'd be happy to have myself on the mission roster like the good loyal rebel I am, but I want to get more info out of this day.

Why are you failing a mission both me and you are on? Do you think Blue is a spy then?

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Yo, Toony, I'm the Commander, you should've put me on the team, wtf man?

Sorry man, I wanted to see how FoU would react getting put on the team.

I'm gonna defend EuchreJack as DEFINITELY A REBEL. They should be put on literally every mission. They're like Luckyowl but without the incomprehensible garbage. This is not a joke. They should literally always be put on every mission. Is that a thing that can happen? I'm actually not very familiar with this game, I should probably read the rules, but I'm too busy posting.

I agree with this.

I'm gonna say FallacyofUrist is DEFINITELY A SPY. They should never be put on any mission ever. Why you put them on this mission is beyond me. You should know better than that.

Why PASS the mission then?

I will postulate one last point: If this Mission fails, it is because ToonyMan is A REBEL. ToonyMan would be the silliest person to fail this Mission.
If this Mission doesn't fail... then ToonyMan might be a Spy.

Hehe.

FAIL

*looks at Commander notes*

Uh huh, just what I expected from you.

Why should a Mission 1 team be failed? Especially one from me?

I better be Gnosia. Have to redeem my mafia playing.

I hope you're good at fake-claiming then. I think fake-claiming is critical to mafia's success here, night ability-wise.

A full setup looks like this:

Town
Crewmate - vanilla townie
Engineer - cop
Coroner - forensics cop/mortician
Guardian Angel - doctor
Guard Duty - masons

Mafia
Gnosia - vanilla mafioso

Mafia-Ally
AC Follower - vanilla mafioso-ally

Pseudo-SK Survivor
Bug - immune to mafia kill, dies to cop inspection

If mafia don't fake-claim or counter-claim town roles as they come up, then I think they will end up cornered and be eliminated swiftly.

It's up to town when they should decide to claim, but if mafia fake-claim their role first they need to counter-claim or it's going to cause massive headaches in the long run.

There's no trackers or redirectors, so anybody you target will be exactly who you target and nobody can confirm you really have. There's rare exceptions, for example if the Engineer inspects the Bug then the Bug will die and the Engineer will get back human as a result. If the Gnosia kill someone else and they aren't protected by the Guardian then you'll end up with two deaths at night, which is only possible if one of the dead players is the Bug. A fake-claiming Engineer would need to say they also inspected one of the dead players that night and got a human result to look legitimate.

Also, as an interesting but very unlikely scenario: If the Bug is protected by the Guardian and the Engineer inspects the Bug, the Bug still dies.

I think you guys really did elect the traitor candidate.

What are the odds that I find the Commander on Day 1?

41.47%