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Quote from: ToonyMan on March 02, 2021, 10:14:22 pm

Haven't seen anything particularly suspicious with Vector, the main thing is this bizarre TricMagic vote. I feel like their vote cases have all been policy lynches. Feel pretty confident they've been scum since D1. This means the D1 scumteam would at least include Vector. That's what I'm feeling.

So ... voting Jim Groovester (D2), Toaster (D1), Webadict (D1), ICT (D1) and NQT (D1 and D2, current vote), are all policy lynches? *nod nod*, *strokes invisible beard*
Yeah, OK. LOL. Says the man toonying tunneling LuckyOwl.

Your votes on Lucky and TricMagic were policy lynches.

As far as I can tell your vote on NQT is just waiting for them to post more delicious analysis.

You've lifted your vote off of Jim multiple times and so quickly that it hardly counts.

I'll give you the Toaster, Web, and IcyTea votes I guess since I'm tired and need to sleep, can't really check fully...

Your vote on Blue was a mislynch:

The Scribe's Tally Sheet
BluarianKnight: 5: Jim Groovester, juicebox, Luckyowl, Toaster, Vector
juicebox: 3: 4maskwolf, notquitethere, webadict
Luckyowl: 3: BluarianKnight, IcyTea31, ToonyMan
Toaster: 1: Persus13

I see a lot of vote hoping and indecision, Vector the Converter.

Regarding the Tric point, I thought that Tric was claiming a third role with an actual action now, as opposed to flavor-actioning. You know, from Werebear to Knight to WTF. And I lost my temper. Oops.

Fair enough, I believe this.

Day 2 Reads

Not as much movement as between Day 1 and Night 1, but there's a couple things.

Webadict is who I feel is most likely converted if it's not Jim or Luckyowl. Their play in Day 2 has been very odd and aloof. At least they're making reads now. Leaving where they are for now...could genuinely just be not getting sleep.

Jim is in the same boat as Web. If it's not Lucky or Webadict I think the converter would nab Jim. Similarly to Web they haven't had anything to say. They're keeping their case on Persus (similar to me keeping my case on Lucky).

Lucky has been incredibly anti-town this entire game. The converter would get a possible twofer if they converted Lucky, but I'm more convinced they've been scum since D1. Most of my points are here. It's also been shown that Lucky is lying about information he supposedly received from Meph. Even if it's a misunderstanding he won't even try to clear it up, it's bad dude.

Juicebox/Caz is very scummy and can't provide any Dreamwalker info. I have a case on them. This is meta but I think replacing out silently is a scumtell too.

I've liked NQT so far this day...I sussed them but I think they're leaning town. Stays in weak town.

I've agreed with IcyTea this day and I think they're trying. Stays.

TricMagic...dumb town, I'm going to put them at the bottom of my weak town list though so slightly down.

I've been okay with Toaster so far, they seem town, going to move up to Neutral. Still suspect enough to lynch. I would probably convert them, but I don't think most players would.

Still have no read on Persus...I'm willing to believe they aren't scum, but I'm okay with their lynch, same boat as Toaster.

Haven't seen anything particularly suspicious with Vector, the main thing is this bizarre TricMagic vote. I feel like their vote cases have all been policy lynches. Feel pretty confident they've been scum since D1. This means the D1 scumteam would at least include Vector. That's what I'm feeling.

Still confident 4maskwolf is a Wererat like they claim. They're the first player to vote me in this game which I generally find to be a towntell...or in this case a notscumtell.

BluarianKnight is either a Lone Vampire like they claim or lying third-party/scum. I'm willing to believe they're a Lone Vampire for now. Having two survivors is pretty groan-inducing since they'll betray us if we play bad.

My Devil pick would be either IcyTea, NQT, Persus, or less likely Toaster.

Strong Town
Webadict (0, strong suspect as possible N1 convert)
Jim Groovester (0, strong suspect as possible N1 convert)

Weak Town
IcyTea (0)
NQT (0)
TricMagic (-0.5)

Neutral
Persus13 (0)
Toaster (+0.5)

Scum
Vector (0, don't have a solid case but suspicious nonetheless)
Juicebox/Caz (0, built case)
Luckyowl (-2, built case)

Third-Party
4maskwolf (0)
BluarianKnight (0)

Gonna read this thread more closely before I make some real posting. One thing I will say though is that I don't have any dream to report, it was just random and unremarkable dreams last night.

...Great.

I will add that I'm rereading Supernatural 6 because of Toony's question and there's a lot of similarities to that game and this one. The town Dreamwalker got lynched D1, no one died N1, and the dreamwalker got resurrected.

Hah, wow if I squint it looks like the same Day 2 start.

My thinking is that a Vampire Lord is such a red alert all hands on deck situation that D2 needs to steer in the direction that such a thing happens.  If there's a scum-looking kill tonight, feel free to point and laugh at me, then we can all lynch Lucky.  Until that happens, though, I'm assuming the worst.

I quit if there's a Vampire Lord. *cuts wrists*

So... can't we check LO's alignment by lynching BluarianKnight again?

We can't check Lucky's alignment that way. It goes both way between them.

If Lucky flips town then Blue is most likely third-party, possibly mafia.
If Lucky flips mafia then Blue could be either third-party or mafia.

Blue has claimed Lone Vampire so they can't be town in any situation.

I don't believe there's ever been a case of a full alignment switch, but Meph has confirmed it's possible (probably the least likely outcome).

ToonyMan: Fine, you want to think I'm scum because I'm a compulsive liar. Sure. go ahead. luckyowl let's see if I'm lying.

I want answers to my questions Lucky, not for you to zip your lips and self-vote.

What's up with your question to Meph?
Why is NQT a better target than you?

Quote from: Persus13 on March 02, 2021, 11:25:45 am

People have lives outside of mafia. You yourself are using that to explain why you've barely posted, same as Jim, but you're attacking someone else for doing the same.

I wouldn't have blinked if juicebox provided no response to the CFD, but they were present enough to jump and draft a claim minutes after its start.

Yes. Juice is my second pick because of this.

Also you know...quietly replacing out without telling town his results.

Right, trying harder. I did bring a read list for day 1.
shakes head

Right now I have a few theories. ToonyMan hasn't really been giving townenergy today, so them being converted makes sense. On the other side is LO not actually reading as town to me now, particularly that one post I quoted. And being caught in a lie is kinda bad. NQT still reads negatively to me. So that really leaves Juicebox and Persus as the other two suspects.

So, the setup is one Converter, two Mafia, 1 Devil, 1 Survivor, 9 Town. Would that be a potential setup for this game? Or rather.. Wouldn't 4mask end up being the devil? That brings it to 10 town, 1 cult leader, a Devil, and 2 mafia. The kill failing could be them getting redirected. Granted, if Luckyowl is town that could mean the devil targeted me while Mafia targeted Lucky, so the two targets got reversed. Which is why there would be no kill last night.

Of course, we could also have 2 Mafia with one of them having a Convert, so we have a 3 person team now Either way it's a theory that I think holds some merit.

You would know if somebody tried to kill you, Tric.

I asked Tric that because I still find it incredibly stupid. I wanted more of an explanation to read them. Same for Lucky and Blue.

@Lucky:
If I'm misguided town then why is NQT a better target?

As for the Devil deal, fair enough. I don't think you're lying about being visited.

Quote from: Luckyowl on March 02, 2021, 03:30:40 am

Well, that pretty much cross me off as a possible suspect. Since I brought Blu back from the dead. Sadly, it seems not as townie. From my understanding from meph explanation on how my one shot ability works. Is that I don't know if I'm pure or not. Which has nothing to do with my alignment. Also another tidbit. I ask Meph if my ability will trigger if I'm night killed and he gave more than what I asked and said that my night action is low on the pirority list so If I'm interuppted my night action won't go through. So if I were converted then Blu wouldn't be here.

I think someone else said up-thread that conversion is even lower in priority and so happens after resurrection. You're quite right that no one thinks you're the converter. People are just wondering if:

No, conversions and kills happen right before disturbing the dead. Look at the action order in the OP.