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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 13 - D1 has begun
« on: January 13, 2021, 06:15:54 pm »
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Luckyowl please don't vote yourself.
Luckyowl please don't vote yourself.
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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 13 - D1 has begun
« on: January 13, 2021, 03:36:35 pm »
@Caz:
Why Finger of Suspicion Luckyowl, but not myself and Webadict then?
@Luckyowl:
How about this, who would you vote right now since you're afraid of voting?
Let's do some vote analysis for Day 1:
This game is statistically mafia-favored, about 66% winrate for mafia I believe. It was more like 50% last game because of Luckyowl, but that's not normal and I don't think we can say that's the case here.
Let's look at some lynch scenarios:
The Impossible Scenario:
Townie A, Townie B, Townie C lynch a Townie.
Any number of mafia could replace the townies here besides the townie being lynched.
This case is impossible unless a townie self-votes. Please don't self-vote if you're a townie, you'll most likely doom the town when it comes to the vengekill since mafia could easily slip into this vote chain.
The Second Least Likely Scenarios:
Townie, Townie, Townie lynch Mafioso or Flagbearer.
Mafia, Townie, Townie lynch Mafia.
This is what we want, but it's going to be difficult. I believe it's possible a mafia member could be on their buddy, but only early on and they would switch their vote before a hammer comes down from a second townie. It's possible that two townies manage to quickhammer a mafia member, but I don't think it'll happen...
Mafia literally can't bus unless it's the flagbearer bussing their mafioso, so keep that in mind. I don't think they'll have the guts to do it, but prove me wrong flagbearer I dare you!
Also, lynching the mafioso first will make Day 2 sort of weird, but we'll see if it happens.
The Probable Scenarios:
Mafia, Townie, Townie lynch Townie.
Townie, Mafia, Townie lynch Townie.
Townie, Townie, Mafia lynch Townie.
These are what mafia want the most. Our vengekiller will have a really hard time hitting mafia correctly.
I think a vengekiller should always aim for people that voted them because:
The Other Probable Scenarios:
Mafia, Mafia, Townie lynch a Townie.
Townie, Mafia, Mafia lynch Townie.
Mafia, Townie, Mafia lynch Townie.
I feel these cases are more likely than the previous set because it gives mafia more control over the lynch and will be easier for them to realize the lynch into existence. More than likely mafia are the ones hammering here as well. The chances are good that our vengekiller will hit mafia if they aim for someone that voted them. Does anybody think this sounds unreasonable?
Yeah and it was really obvious I was scum. Whether I'm town or mafia doing another early game quickhammer is not something I would do this game, wouldn't you say?Why not vote anybody? Early hammers would out scum so I think it's safe.Didn't you literally hammer web last round?
And how are you two convinced what the mafia will act on or not, unless you have inside information?I think your paranoia is unwarranted here Caz. I can't tell if you're being honest or not though.
Why Finger of Suspicion Luckyowl, but not myself and Webadict then?
@Luckyowl:
ToonyMan: Do you vary your strategy as mafia?Uh, yeah?
How about this, who would you vote right now since you're afraid of voting?
Let's do some vote analysis for Day 1:
This game is statistically mafia-favored, about 66% winrate for mafia I believe. It was more like 50% last game because of Luckyowl, but that's not normal and I don't think we can say that's the case here.
Let's look at some lynch scenarios:
The Impossible Scenario:
Townie A, Townie B, Townie C lynch a Townie.
Any number of mafia could replace the townies here besides the townie being lynched.
This case is impossible unless a townie self-votes. Please don't self-vote if you're a townie, you'll most likely doom the town when it comes to the vengekill since mafia could easily slip into this vote chain.
The Second Least Likely Scenarios:
Townie, Townie, Townie lynch Mafioso or Flagbearer.
Mafia, Townie, Townie lynch Mafia.
This is what we want, but it's going to be difficult. I believe it's possible a mafia member could be on their buddy, but only early on and they would switch their vote before a hammer comes down from a second townie. It's possible that two townies manage to quickhammer a mafia member, but I don't think it'll happen...
Mafia literally can't bus unless it's the flagbearer bussing their mafioso, so keep that in mind. I don't think they'll have the guts to do it, but prove me wrong flagbearer I dare you!
Also, lynching the mafioso first will make Day 2 sort of weird, but we'll see if it happens.
The Probable Scenarios:
Mafia, Townie, Townie lynch Townie.
Townie, Mafia, Townie lynch Townie.
Townie, Townie, Mafia lynch Townie.
These are what mafia want the most. Our vengekiller will have a really hard time hitting mafia correctly.
I think a vengekiller should always aim for people that voted them because:
The Other Probable Scenarios:
Mafia, Mafia, Townie lynch a Townie.
Townie, Mafia, Mafia lynch Townie.
Mafia, Townie, Mafia lynch Townie.
I feel these cases are more likely than the previous set because it gives mafia more control over the lynch and will be easier for them to realize the lynch into existence. More than likely mafia are the ones hammering here as well. The chances are good that our vengekiller will hit mafia if they aim for someone that voted them. Does anybody think this sounds unreasonable?
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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 13 - D1 has begun
« on: January 13, 2021, 09:19:59 am »
@Caz:
Why not vote anybody? Early hammers would out scum so I think it's safe.
@Luckyowl:
@TricMagic:
Are you seriously asking me why I'm asking people questions? If you thought self-voting was a good idea I would bump up my mafia feelings toward you.
Anyway, I think Caz and Luckyowl are the mafia right now.
Sure...I guess so...*holds one arm with the other*@Caz:Yes. Confidence is the key to victory!
Do you think we'll lynch scum today?
If you got lynched today are you confident of your ability to hit mafia?Yes.
Why not vote anybody? Early hammers would out scum so I think it's safe.
@Luckyowl:
TOONYMAN:Okay, so gonna vote someone?Quote@Luckyowl:I will say no, since I'm not the mafia I won't scumslip as mafia. However it's possible for me to "scumslip" as town. But we'll have to wait and see how the game goes.
Do you think you'll slip up easily as mafia?
ToonyMan: Are planning to memehammer Wubba this game around?No. I might hammer someone though, we'll see.
@TricMagic:
Is that a no then? Good.@TricMagic:Yes it is, so says TricMagic. Why do you ask?
Is selfvoting a good idea?
However this applies to Thinktwice, not Vengeful. So Toonyman, why are you asking right off the bat?
Are you seriously asking me why I'm asking people questions? If you thought self-voting was a good idea I would bump up my mafia feelings toward you.
Anyway, I think Caz and Luckyowl are the mafia right now.
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Mafia / Re: BYOR 15: Game Over - Mafia Win (Kinda?)
« on: January 13, 2021, 09:05:36 am »
@Juicebox:
I think we were on the same wavelengths Juicebox:
To follow up, this was right after Day 2 ended:
@NQT:
Congrats scum!
oh btwRight now I would put Jim, Nirur, Toonyman, and Leafsnail as my scumteam.3/4 isn't bad at all
I think we were on the same wavelengths Juicebox:
The obvious team:3/4
Leafsnail, Jim Groovester, UristofFallacy, IcyTea
To follow up, this was right after Day 2 ended:
Quote from: ToonyMan in Dead Chat @ 01-02-2021 06:05 PM ET
FoU/Nirur/Leaf mafia team?Like seriously guys.
@NQT:
My premature death aside, this was a fun game. I'll know to trust my instincts more. Great end of day on D1, I think only one player missed it.Yep, that would be Luckyowl.
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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 13 - D1 has begun
« on: January 13, 2021, 07:46:12 am »
PFP
Hmmm...
@TricMagic:
Is selfvoting a good idea?
@Luckyowl:
Do you think you'll slip up easily as mafia?
@Webadict:
Would you rather be a mafioso or flagbearer?
@Caz:
Do you think we'll lynch scum today?
@MOD:
My PM says I'm town, what does that mean?
Hmmm...
@TricMagic:
Is selfvoting a good idea?
@Luckyowl:
Do you think you'll slip up easily as mafia?
@Webadict:
Would you rather be a mafioso or flagbearer?
@Caz:
Do you think we'll lynch scum today?
@MOD:
My PM says I'm town, what does that mean?
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Mafia / Re: BYOR 15: Game Over - Mafia Win (Kinda?)
« on: January 12, 2021, 11:32:42 pm »Gotta learn from the mistakes somehow.Having NQT die instead of Nirur on Night 2 was pretty bad dude...otherwise I think everything else was handled well moderation wise.
The end of Day 1 was amazingly fast paced and the wildest thing I've seen in mafia in awhile. That's my biggest compliment. I was on an emotional rollercoaster the entire time as my life flickered before me.
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Mafia / Re: BYOR 15: Game Over - Mafia Win (Kinda?)
« on: January 12, 2021, 11:14:28 pm »
For completion's sake here is Soul Chat.
Because Juicebox died immediately in essence it's just an early Dead Chat for myself to yell at the wall.
Because Juicebox died immediately in essence it's just an early Dead Chat for myself to yell at the wall.
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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 2: Has Fallacy Gone Sane? (3 / 9+)
« on: January 12, 2021, 10:55:10 pm »
When do signups end?
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Mafia / Re: BYOR 15: Game Over - Mafia Win (Kinda?)
« on: January 12, 2021, 10:39:09 pm »
@Heydude:
As the guy who thought for sure 99% you could not be mafia (until the convert anyway), your town vig games seriously needs some work. I couldn't believe you were town after those kills you performed. Especially on Day 3, you were behaving just like a SK during Day 3.
Moving back a bit:
Granted killing Juicebox was probably for the best, but that was lucky. Your best decision was by far shooting Nirur, even if it was redirected to obvious town NQT. The thing is, as a town vig you shouldn't shoot unless you're absolutely sure or have no choice such as it being mylo and you lynch town.
Instead it looked like to me you were killing wildly, with your best interests being to stay alive and reducing the numbers down to just yourself, which is exactly how a SK should play it. The problem is that you never hit mafia once so at some point the mafia are going to want to kill you after all your hard work.
As the guy who thought for sure 99% you could not be mafia (until the convert anyway), your town vig games seriously needs some work. I couldn't believe you were town after those kills you performed. Especially on Day 3, you were behaving just like a SK during Day 3.
Moving back a bit:
Granted killing Juicebox was probably for the best, but that was lucky. Your best decision was by far shooting Nirur, even if it was redirected to obvious town NQT. The thing is, as a town vig you shouldn't shoot unless you're absolutely sure or have no choice such as it being mylo and you lynch town.
Instead it looked like to me you were killing wildly, with your best interests being to stay alive and reducing the numbers down to just yourself, which is exactly how a SK should play it. The problem is that you never hit mafia once so at some point the mafia are going to want to kill you after all your hard work.
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Mafia / Re: BYOR 15: Game Over - Mafia Win (Kinda?)
« on: January 12, 2021, 10:24:38 pm »
To be critical, I'm not happy with this game at all and everybody should be ashamed of themselves.
Nobody read anybody's posts because they were too busy talking to themselves and patting themselves on the back about how right they were. Due to the sheer volume of words some players were writing, nobody wanted to go back and re-read through the thread (which I did many many times while dead) to see and rethink other player's behavior after somebody flipped or CONFIRM FACTS. Nope just post post post post go go go go!!
Mafia threw up Walls of Text at each other, why? Why make everybody suffer? It wasn't even like town or mafia played good. Town either killed or got themselves killed for bad reasons. Mafia was obvious after Day 2. Maybe I'll do a player analysis for everybody, but honestly just read the Dead Chat if you want to see how I feel.
Nobody read anybody's posts because they were too busy talking to themselves and patting themselves on the back about how right they were. Due to the sheer volume of words some players were writing, nobody wanted to go back and re-read through the thread (which I did many many times while dead) to see and rethink other player's behavior after somebody flipped or CONFIRM FACTS. Nope just post post post post go go go go!!
Mafia threw up Walls of Text at each other, why? Why make everybody suffer? It wasn't even like town or mafia played good. Town either killed or got themselves killed for bad reasons. Mafia was obvious after Day 2. Maybe I'll do a player analysis for everybody, but honestly just read the Dead Chat if you want to see how I feel.
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Mafia / Re: BYOR 15: Game Over - Mafia Win (Kinda?)
« on: January 12, 2021, 08:07:24 pm »
Mafia why did you let Day 4 go on and on? It was obvious who you were and you had already won, why drag the game out?
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Mafia / Re: BYOR 15: Game Over - Mafia Win (Kinda?)
« on: January 12, 2021, 08:01:08 pm »
Fuck Town.
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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 13 - In Signups (0/5)
« on: January 11, 2021, 10:50:59 am »
Redemption In.
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Mafia / Re: Mafia Setup Discussion and Review
« on: January 10, 2021, 11:23:55 pm »
How would actions work at night?
"Hey I'm a cop and I'm inspecting you, what's your alignment?" What if a roleblocker sends a PM to the cop that they're blocking them right after? This would also reveal the cop's identity to who they're checking.
It would be really funny for mafia to just PM someone and be like "hey we're killing you tonight so post your role PM tomorrow".
"Hey I'm a cop and I'm inspecting you, what's your alignment?" What if a roleblocker sends a PM to the cop that they're blocking them right after? This would also reveal the cop's identity to who they're checking.
It would be really funny for mafia to just PM someone and be like "hey we're killing you tonight so post your role PM tomorrow".
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Mafia / Re: Mafia Setup Discussion and Review
« on: January 10, 2021, 05:25:20 pm »Daykill BYOR: everyone submits a role name and receives back a role. The twist? There's only one Day. Everyone has a one-shot daykill ability of some kind and one other ability. Anyone can shoot anyone, and the mafia have a spare one-shot factional daykill too. Will get violent very quickly, and probably require multiple mods so the actions can be resolved quickly, along with potentially something like a 'no day killing for two hours after a day kill occurs and game start' moratorium. If all daykills are expended and no team has won, everyone gets their daykill shots expended at once.This has sort of happened before. It did not end well.