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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 12.5 - WHERE ARE THE COOKIES!?
« on: January 10, 2021, 01:53:26 pm »
Quote from: Luckyowl on January 10, 2021, 12:35:47 pm
What? you got this all backward. Humbling before me would only make me more suscipious of you. I suspected Vector of being scum because he agreed to my flaw plan in BYOR 15. He flipped town. ToonyMan sealed the deal when he started to latch on to this.
Ssshhh, it's bad manners to talk about an ongoing game.

Quote from: Luckyowl on January 10, 2021, 12:51:02 pm
Everyone: Luckyowl accidently confirmed himself town.
me:   ???
And this is why you confirmed yourself as town. On the other hand, you could easily confirm yourself as mafia by playing the same way, so be careful.

Quote from: Luckyowl on January 10, 2021, 12:51:02 pm
I won't really say anything I benefit from it either way. Was I a fool who won by a fluke. Maybe.
I wouldn't say so, when you finally voted me you made a very easy to understand reasoning for your vote, and it was a correct decision as well.

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 12.5 - WHERE ARE THE COOKIES!?
« on: January 10, 2021, 11:37:00 am »
Good games town.

Some thoughts and analysis:

ToonyMan:
I think I played as well as I could have as a mafioso. I wasn't thinking I'd be around for Day 2 so I tried to turn an unwinnable situation into a win by convincing Luckyowl. Honestly felt like I had at least a 50/50 shot of it working. My hammer wasn't justifiable at all, but there's an argument I was mistaken town. Memehammering Webadict was really funny, but I wasn't suppose to survive doing that so justifying myself afterwards was a challenge. One day I'll play a game where I don't kill Webadict.

4maskwolf:
My brother in arms. I think voting them was really clever and I don't have any criticism with their play. If they were around for Day 2 instead of me I think we would have had a much higher chance of winning. I was pretty obviously scummy, but 4mask was way more ambiguous.

Webadict:
Very smart of them to kill the person who put them at L-1 and not the guy with the really shady hammer. This made it more than obvious that I was scummy and should be lynched on D2. I didn't want to make myself too obvious scum in case I did survive though.

Notquitethere:
Literally didn't get to play D1 so can't say much there. Everything they said on D2 was correct.

Luckyowl:
Accidently confirmed themselves as town on D1. I think this may have played a part in why I wanted to quickhammer Webadict compulsively like that. If I dawdled then there would be more evidence against us. This meant the lynch had to be on Webadict or NQT. I think they should listen to Web's advice in their previous post.

I would like to do a deeper dive into D1 votes and lynches at a later date.

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 12.5 - WHERE ARE THE COOKIES!?
« on: January 10, 2021, 09:59:18 am »
I'm not blaming you 4mask, but it's the truth that I wasn't even thinking about doing the Web hammer. I was really expecting Web to kill me over that too. Instead I end up having to make a case against NQT that questions his sleep schedule.

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 12.5 - WHERE ARE THE COOKIES!?
« on: January 10, 2021, 09:54:48 am »
You're right. I wouldn't have hammered Webadict as town or mafia unless somebody thought it would be funny if I did.

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 12.5 - WHERE ARE THE COOKIES!?
« on: January 10, 2021, 09:48:15 am »
Luckyowl, Hector sent those PMs out last night it wasn't like I was around 20 minutes ago. >_>

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 12.5 - WHERE ARE THE COOKIES!?
« on: January 10, 2021, 09:45:23 am »
Wow you say 4 hours and then hammer me in 20 minutes.

A fitting end.

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 12.5 - WHERE ARE THE COOKIES!?
« on: January 09, 2021, 09:08:40 pm »
Quote from: Luckyowl on January 09, 2021, 08:41:11 pm
ToonyMan: got your wish? How does it feel to be the mafia. I honestly wish I was mafia right now pulling an epic scum victory.
I'm not mafia LuckyOwl. Unless you're just trolling us as mafia it's going to come down to whether you believe me or NQT.

If you let the tie happen then NQT is going to pick me as the lynch and we lose.

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 12.5 - WHERE ARE THE COOKIES!?
« on: January 09, 2021, 01:03:20 pm »
Quote from: notquitethere on January 09, 2021, 12:10:50 pm
This is just more distraction from Toony who doesn't want you to dwell on the fact he used my absence in the thread to quickhammer a town player.
NQT doesn't want you to consider every possibility because he's mafia.

Quote from: notquitethere on January 09, 2021, 12:10:50 pm
Incidentally, please make up your mind before Wednesday. I really don't want to be repeating the same arguments and clarifications ad nauseum for five days.
Quote from: notquitethere on January 07, 2021, 06:30:02 pm
Toony
The game is pure day game, my posts are all there are to figuring me out.
Now who's rushing the Day game? Isn't this hypocritical?

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 12.5 - WHERE ARE THE COOKIES!?
« on: January 09, 2021, 11:58:44 am »
Quote from: Luckyowl on January 09, 2021, 03:54:32 am
ToonyMan: So do you think NQH planned the whole "I'm gonna sleep for 8 hours?" To snare you in a trap?
I don't know if he really went to sleep, but like you pointed out he left his vote on Webadict which 4mask conveniently followed up on.

My guess is that this was planned beforehand at least.

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 12.5 - WHERE ARE THE COOKIES!?
« on: January 08, 2021, 10:16:04 pm »
@NQT:
Quote from: notquitethere on January 08, 2021, 08:18:00 pm
I made one post, went to sleep, the hammer happened and by the time 4mask flipped scum and Toony voted me, it was mechanically obvious Toony was the remaining mafia member (again, because you haven't hammered me). So there was never a point outside my first post when I got to play the game in a completely uncertain and suspicious position. Does that make sense to you?
This is ridiculous. You're above suspicion because you only made one post on Day 1? That doesn't clear you at all.


@Luckyowl:
Quote from: Luckyowl on January 08, 2021, 09:20:04 pm
Quote from: notquitethere on January 08, 2021, 09:10:59 pm
I explicitly said I was going to bed:
Quote from: notquitethere on January 07, 2021, 06:30:02 pm
Heads up: I'm going to sleep for next 8 hours or so.
It doesn't get clearer than that that. He hammered about two hours after I posted this.
*whistles* pretty damning. Got anything to say ToonyMan?
It's not damning. Why would this mean NQT and 4mask aren't scum buddies? NQT is trying to clear himself even though none of this prevents NQT and 4mask telling each other what they're going to do at the start of Day 1.

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 12.5 - WHERE ARE THE COOKIES!?
« on: January 08, 2021, 02:57:13 pm »
Quote from: notquitethere on January 08, 2021, 02:21:24 pm
Lucky, look at this. Toony keeps saying he thought Lucky+Webadict was the team...
Quote from: ToonyMan on January 08, 2021, 01:48:27 pm
thinking for sure Webadict and Luckyowl were the mafia team.
But why was he so certain of it? Makes no sense.
I've address this, in chronological order:
1. NQT leaves a vote on Webadict.
2. Luckyowl asks the mod (Hector) if the flagbearer knows who their partner is.
3. Webadict proclaims that Luckyowl is town.
My extremely doubting mind thinks Webadict is scum partners with Luckyowl. Luckyowl is "inadvertently" confirming himself as town and Webadict immediately plays off of it.
4. 4mask puts Webadict at L-1 and belittles Luckyowl.
5. I hammer Webadict while I was writing another post because I'm confident they're scum at this point.
While I'm not 100% sure 4mask told NQT what he was doing, it's clear now this was their goal if me or Lucky hammered.

Quote from: notquitethere on January 08, 2021, 02:21:24 pm
And then you see him obfuscating things again:
Quote from: ToonyMan on January 08, 2021, 01:48:27 pm
Obviously you wouldn't hammer your flagbearer partner, NQT.
In the section he's quoting, I'm speculating about his possible motivations as scum!Toony and now he flips it around to frame things as my motivations if I were scum!NQT. He doesn't refute me, he just misdirects. Weak.
Sorry I'm not thinking like scum.

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 12.5 - WHERE ARE THE COOKIES!?
« on: January 08, 2021, 01:48:27 pm »
Sorry, my phone post earlier wasn't very clear. NQT and 4mask both voted Webadict and I fell for their bait thinking for sure Webadict and Luckyowl were the mafia team. They saw how Luckyowl and Webadict were interacting and took advantage of the situation to put Web at L-1, this way either myself or Lucky would have a high chance of hammering incorrectly.

Quote from: notquitethere on January 08, 2021, 10:59:12 am
I didn't expect someone to hammer while I was asleep but I'm not sure why Toony thinks hammering while I said I'd be away would be less suspicious.
This isn't true. NQT is throwing shade on my hammer knowing it could cause the D2 mislynch.

Quote from: notquitethere on January 08, 2021, 01:46:19 pm
It was a bold move but I'm sure you can't have expected a town player to quickhammer 4mask in the first hour of play.
Obviously you wouldn't hammer your flagbearer partner, NQT.

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 12.5 - WHERE ARE THE COOKIES!?
« on: January 08, 2021, 01:37:14 pm »
@Luckyowl:
Quote from: Luckyowl on January 08, 2021, 09:33:41 am
ToonyMan: Wasn't it your vote that got Webadict expelled from this house? Also, you said something about Mafia's would stick together. So me and Webadict must be the Mafia. However Webadict flipped town. What do you think about me now?
Yes it was, but I was confident you were partners with Webadict. The fact Webadict didn't shoot me is telling. Now that I know he's town and 4mask was mafia, it's a completely different story but very easy to solve.

At day start I was 99% sure you were town after the Web flip. This is due to your actions throughout the day. I did not think you were working with anybody at that point. Now I'm 100% sure because otherwise you would have quickhammered NQT. I know I'm town so it's 100% NQT.


@NQT:
Quote from: notquitethere on January 08, 2021, 10:40:23 am
This is cute, scum team voted each other first thing:
Quote from: 4maskwolf on January 07, 2021, 03:32:22 pm
Toonyman stole the cookie from the cookie jar![/b][/i]
Quote from: ToonyMan on January 07, 2021, 03:38:19 pm
@4maskwolf:
This is a classic move. You don't always see it, but often enough (see scum!Persus doing it in the last ProcGen game). Scum at the start don't want to make any needless enemies. They're sniffing around, waiting until town find town scum. Any town they vote for is going to be an enemy. This is what's happened here with ToonyMan and 4mask.
So I put the flagbearer at L-1 to avoid voting town?

Quote from: notquitethere on January 08, 2021, 10:40:23 am
Also, worth being clear here: I know LuckyOwl is 100% town, even if we ignore all the D1 dumbtells. A scum!Owl would have just hammered me.
This is true.

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 12.5 - WHERE ARE THE COOKIES!?
« on: January 08, 2021, 08:43:01 am »
PFP

Okay. That wasn't what I expected, but it worked out.

Luckyowl is 1000 IQ scum or he's town. Props to him if I'm fooled.

It's NQT. He voted Webadict first not expecting me to hammer, his mistake. I was wrong, but Webadict was right and hit their flagbearer. NQT is claiming I'm scum because scum would never bus when he knows his buddy 4mask voted Webadict too.

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 12.5 - WHERE ARE THE COOKIES!?
« on: January 07, 2021, 09:35:33 pm »
Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2021, 09:33:04 pm
My bad, I didn't realize. ToonyMan, you gotta let us know. I'm not counting votes.

Vengekill 4maskwolf.
Sorry, I thought you could count. Nice fakeout by the way.


Quote from: 4maskwolf on January 07, 2021, 09:24:27 pm
I have... opinions, but I need a ruling from the mod first.

hector13: nightless games are weird, but are we allowed to post after hammer?
Yeah you're allowed.

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