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Quote from: notquitethere on December 29, 2020, 06:40:39 pm

Toaster

Quote from: Toaster link=topic=177586.msg8228760#msg8228760

Where are you getting the last two votes, though?  Jim and I would put Leafsnail at 6.  Tric?

someone would have to swap off the Toony wagon, yes.
More than anything, I want people to know they're not getting away with just drifting into this. This lynch is an active choice.

So are the votes that remain on me. I'm voting ToonyMan based on my read and the fact he is the only other choice other than no lynching. They are voting me... Not sure why, but it is there business. Stuff like that is what day 2 is for, questioning votes and why you made that choice.

This isn't true.

It doesn't have any mod stuff copy-pasted. Everything is in my own writing and not rule-breaking.

But mafia don't win games by lurking.

They absolutely can.

@4maskwolf:

Quote from: ToonyMan on December 29, 2020, 05:57:52 pm

@4maskwolf:

Quote from: 4maskwolf on December 29, 2020, 05:42:37 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on December 29, 2020, 05:40:19 pm

Quote from: 4maskwolf on December 29, 2020, 05:28:10 pm

It's certainly interesting.  I'm actually less interested in seeing Toony flip now than I am in seeing your flip, but I don't have any belief I could swing that with only hours left and half the game not present.  So I'll stick with Toonyman.

Bullshit. The day isn't over until the day is over. You do want to see me flip.

I do, yes.  I'm still interested in seeing you flip, but I'd also like to see NQT flip.

You say you want to see NQT flip more, why aren't you voting him?

Because "the day isn't over yet" is bullshit.  I don't have a proper case on NQT, there's no practiceable way for me to fish enough votes to get NQT on the block even if I can convince Icy to work with me on this.

I don't believe you. Why do you want to see NQT's flip more than mine but not follow through on it?

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@Nirur Torir:

Quote from: notquitethere on December 29, 2020, 05:51:42 pm

What's your take on Leafsnail?

If lurking through D1 is his meta for scum, then he's going to have a tough time avoiding a D2 lynch.
He's still one of my scummiest reads, but I don't want to lynch someone D1 for lurking through the Christmas weekend in a big game, especially since the case on Toony is clear.

So I should have peaced out for Christmas vacation instead? Why can other players lurk?

Why is my case clear? I've thoroughly explained my thought process and suspicions for everything. You're just saying that without thinking, bad voting.

Quote from: ToonyMan on December 29, 2020, 05:57:52 pm

Quote from: Nirur Torir on December 29, 2020, 05:44:02 pm

Trying and failing to refute the points against Toony convinced me to switch, and he hasn't done anything today to make himself a worse lynch choice than Tric. My vote stays.

Can you explain?

You're trying now, at least, but you spent to long acting like an impending lynch was a loss condition. Especially when you threatened to die with your pons.

It's never too late. And you're being misleading, we went over my thoughts on my pons now.

@4maskwolf:

Toonyman lost his mind at the mason claims.  He recovered since then, but he spent a good few hours wildly ping-ponging based almost entirely on the expressed views of non-mason members of the thread.  When initially claimed, he accepted it with some grumpiness.  When we didn't let up pressing him, he started looking for holes and trying to fish for information about our roles.  When called out on that, he revised history and claimed he'd "only been asking webadict for clarity" in spite of the quoted post being of him trying to fish for more information about "Hydraform" directly from icy.  When Fallacy started spouting conspiracy theories it was all aboard the conspiracy train for Toony.  And then finally, when cooler heads prevailed and the prevailing attitude became "wait and see, the truth will come out eventually", he went right back to "okay, they're probably masons, but I'm still angry about it."  While I think some of the cases on him, especially Dolores', are either pedantic or just plain lazy, I certainly think he's scum.

I'm not a huge fan of meta reads, but look at my paranoia of Jim in Bastard Paranormal 3. I'm not sure if you read it, but I was incredibly unsure of Jim's alignment and was asking the mod a ton of questions just for clarification. (I would consider myself town at that point in the game as well.)

It's certainly interesting.  I'm actually less interested in seeing Toony flip now than I am in seeing your flip, but I don't have any belief I could swing that with only hours left and half the game not present.  So I'll stick with Toonyman.

Bullshit. The day isn't over until the day is over. You do want to see me flip.

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@Toaster:

While I can see signs of Toony panicking a bit, I'm not convinced of the full merits of the case.  With under three hours to go it's awfully late to see anything change, so I guess we'll just see.  I'm willing to put myself down publicly as dubious of a Toony lynch.
Leafsnail is toeing the line between active lurking and just lurking.  It's hard to tell the difference, especially (for me) when my meta reads are incredibly dated.

Going to leave it on TricMagic even though you're dubious of my lynch? Do you agree with me that Leafsnail needs to go? Enough to vote him?

Quote from: ToonyMan on December 29, 2020, 03:12:17 pm

I also find Toaster's accusations of IcyTea and 4mask interesting, Toaster comes off as incredibly suspicious to me if IcyTea/4mask are legit.

I'm not willing to give them a free pass.  If I see anything (and I did) I'm going to follow up on it.

Fair enough.

@NJW2000:

Ooh, is Toony in the distancing phase of scum? He's nearly ready to emerge from his chrysalis 

Haha, if I'm incriminating the actual scum team then I am 100% for it.

My vote is based on the scumhunting I did on Toony, eventually getting him to claim he aimed to deceive town as town.

This is incredibly misleading and you know that. Why would a cop claim a non-mafia result Day 1? Fuck off.

Why the false narrative, Vec? Are you following the wonderful example of Jim Groovester, another extremely strong and modest player, in not rereading the thread? Or did you carefully read the last twenty pages and still come out thinking you're the lynchpin in some idiotic bandwagon or powerwolf play to get Toony lynched?

I'm not sure either. I think Vector has scummy reasons for voting me though.

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@Vector:

Speaking of which, you ignored my last question in that post about why you were asking Heydude what he thinks about your softclaim of his alignment.

My mistake. I'm curious what he thinks of all this. He still hasn't posted though...

I'm talking about the bandwagon part of it, where Toony suddenly became the leading candidate in two or three pages, immediately after I said "fuck it." NT was the 4th vote on that, and he explicitly referenced my post.
Dolores has been following me through a lot of the game. I'm not talking about where the cases came from, I'm talking about when and why the votes started piling up.

You're right. I am also baffled by the bandwagon after your vote.

You can't stop that.

Oh wait, there is one way.

Not posting.