@Leafsnail:I'm happy to believe the mason claim provisionally. Obviously it could be a scum gambit but it would be an extremely risky one - even if town completely believed it scum masons could get massively blown out by a third-party killing role such as an SK.
fakedit: a daycult fakeclaiming masons would be outright suicide rather than merely risky, because they'd be painting huge targets on themselves for the mafia.
It's true. They're either bafflingly stupid town masons or a bafflingly stupid third-party group. I don't think a Day 1 cult conversion makes sense, and the combination of 4mask and IcyTea both finding me suspicious the entire game makes the whole thing rather annoying since I don't think they're capable of thinking or understanding arguments. They're twisting everything I say the same way dolores says I'm responding to NJW2000, I don't get it.
This case against ToonyMan doesn't make sense to me. What you're touting as a "slip" seems to me like an overly pedantic reading of TM's posts.
It sure is.
I think I believe you that you were busy with family commitment after Christmas. You're voting TricMagic now, so it would have been easy to just vote hop and mislynch me instead while "agreeing" with everyone else's points.
@Toaster:Webadict:
There are four Mafia players. Lynching a Jester would not end the game unless Shenanigans. You can get a Lurkertrack in a bit.
Are the four Mafia players on the same team?
I mean, that's something you'd have to ask them, wouldn't you?
Interesting, I didn't think of two mafia teams. The other mafia team would surely be suspicious of two people claiming each other though? 4mask and IcyTea would be completely outed, not that I would put it past them. Anti-town and anti-mafia behavior!
@Heydude:It seems I was wrong about the deadline being tonight. Do you believe my soft-claim on you? Who's scum?
@NQT:Thoughts?
@NJW2000:This is a useful result! If Toony flips town (I think we get alignments despite No Spoilers), he clears heydude to some extent. Only problem: I can't really see why he didn't reveal it immediately, or at some point during the kerfuffle with Icytea, or after that was over - isn't confirming someone sooner rather than later good play?
I have a day investigative ability. Cops shouldn't even claim their results on Day 2 if on Night 1 they hit a townie.
Why would I claim a weaker town result on Heydude during Day 1? Your reasoning doesn't make sense to me here. I could have said nothing after getting my result, but I chose to reason why my result could be true without claiming to the public that I have a day cop ability. I'm totally fine with you finding this suspicious because it does involve me having extra knowledge which you reasonably (or scummily) deduced.
In fact, he only mentions it to defend himself. My vote on him, whether or not it achieved the pressure that produced this weak final defence, is at least justified by it.
Do you mean partial-claiming after you hounded me the whole day for it? I had to claim my result after getting so many votes, it's not something I would have liked to do you know, so congrats if you're scum.
DOLORESYeah, nah, you've totally glossed over our central points again.
It literally does not matter what alignment the ICT+4maskwolf show is. They claimed at a point where ICT was unequivocally in no danger. 4maskwolf is and has been under a fair amount of unresolved heat. This is no reason to claim to protect IcyTea31. Yet that is what you say they are doing, in a line you're now asking us to accept as an you accepting their claim (which to be true, would have to imply that this is what you really thought).
Dude fuck you, what am I glossing over? Literally everything I say is completely dismissed by you as you cover your ears and go "LALALALA". I'm trying to understand what everyone is saying and whether I believe them or not.
I'm willing to believe 4mask and IcyTea claims, and I'm questioning them to assert this. If you think I'm just doubting them to be an ass that's not true at all.
I mean, that's something you'd have to ask them, wouldn't you?
Hey ToonyMan, how many players does your scumteam have?
If your goal is just to piss me off
then it's working. I'm town.
Wait, really? Tric has all but claimed that alignment himself and has displayed no inclination towards finding scum, preferring to lynch the people he thinks has his hats.
I don't think that's inconsistent with his town meta.
Specifically, I think that that Tric says he believes that the people impeding from getting his hats are scum for denying town access to his (seemingly pretty mediocre, really, compared to the cost of a mislynch) abilities is entirely in line with what I would believe he would do and (unfortunately) don't think it's as uncommon a stance as you're implying.
So he's town because you say so? Where is he then?
@TricMagic:What's up? You're voting Jim right now, you could easily put a vote on me to help yourself. What are your plans for the rest of the day?
@Nirur Torir:I'm convinced now. Re-reading your case, combined with Vector's, is compelling. Further, Toony's posts since the mason claim read like panicked obsession, instead of a townie trying to help solve the puzzle now that we have 4 scum, 2 masons, and 2 strong newbtown suspects.
I felt pretty beat up a couple hours ago. I get pretty antsy when a day is about to end and there's a noose around my neck, except it really wasn't ending yet, oops.
I think Vector has the weakest case on me, but also is the only one that has ears?
I don't understand what dolores and NJW2000 are saying, dolores doesn't care what I say, NJW might?
4mask and IcyTea don't care what I have to say.
After thinking, I don't expect that Tric has a kill, at least not without all his hats, and his claimed abilities sound like a reasonable role that's better for town to fire off than not.
I think the odds are better than 50%, I'll switch. Even odds of cutting off a mafioso action is worth more than lynching a relatively benign third party.
ToonyMan
Fair enough. This at least makes it easier for me to post my notes before day ending without last minute vote switching.
I'm hoping you'll reread and make another conclusion though.
