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Jack AT probably prevented Night 1's kill, good on him.

I'm less confident of a conversion cult now, unless somebody coughs up his kill? No wait they wouldn't, since everybody has been calling Jack town since Day 1. Scum killed Jack.

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@Flabort:

IG was it you who revived ZU? We told you not to use the revive, at all. What if something went wrong?

Do you honestly think he wouldn't? Also, why is this a bad thing?

Toonyman, Toaster, Sheep Who do you suspect of being the Necromancer?

Imperial Guardsman or Notquitethere.

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@Imperial Guardsman:

mfw, I didnt bother to read my revive PM, apparently my revive failed but hes alive.

...Can you still use your revive?

@Zombie Urist:

Quote from: ToonyMan on June 22, 2014, 07:02:08 pm

If I'm not pressuring him very hard, he's not trying to do anything about it very hard either. As of this post I am a-okay with a ZU lynch.

That's b/c you aren't pressing very hard. 

Then answer my questions!

@Zombie Urist:
Do you think Persus13 and NQT are both scum? Who's worse?

I guess it looks like I'm getting lynched. I probably won't have enough time to post tomorrow.

Well, damn.

I still don't think there's a cult. NQT is still scum, please lynch him.

Perhaps.

Don't let Toony and Ottofar get away with being inactive. I have a feeling that Toonyman is scum. Persus probably is too. If someone got converted last night I'm pretty sure its Jack, but if Jack indeed got converted I don't think its Persus b/c its too obvious especially since Persus said Jack is a good convert target. But of course this is all WIFOM.

I agree that Ottofar and Persus13 are good candidates.

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@Toaster:

Toony:

Quote from: ToonyMan on June 22, 2014, 07:02:08 pm

@Toaster:

Quote from: Toaster on June 21, 2014, 07:14:44 pm

Toony:  So where's the Toony Tunnel on ZU?

Hmmm?

Your world-famous tunnel attack you unleash on people.  I have yet to see anything like that level of commitment out of you this game.  What's going on?

What do you think this is, 2009?

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@Flabort:

That's assuming that it is a converting cult, which there's a 50% chance of it being. We won't know until after we lynch someone or after tonight.

Where did this percentage come from??

@Toaster:

Toony:  So where's the Toony Tunnel on ZU?

Hmmm?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJSqlkX5tEc

Nice song.

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@Flabort:

Toonyman What, exactly, makes me "crazy"? My case on Toaster? My case on Jim?

Telling everybody to claim.

IG, Jack, Toony What about ZU justifies your votes? If you don't change votes, ZU is the current lynch leader. Are you really OK with that?

If I'm not pressuring him very hard, he's not trying to do anything about it very hard either. As of this post I am a-okay with a ZU lynch.

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@Hapah:

Quote from: ToonyMan on June 21, 2014, 06:12:04 pm

@Toaster:

Quote from: Toaster on June 20, 2014, 09:27:36 pm

Toony:  Ever since your first post of the day where you vote ZU, you've done pretty much nothing besides answer questions.  What are you doing to get ZU lynched?  Who else would you not mind seeing lynched?

It's true, my pressure is fairly light. I'm only asking him about one question a post. He's getting votes from other players too, and he is up on the chopping block so I'm interested in how he'll react.

Why'd you vote him in the first place, again? For the voteswap at the end of D1, or for not answering your request for reads? Something else?

Because I wanted to see if he was scum. I'm placing my bets that he's a Cult Sexton at this point.

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@Imperial Guardsman:

Quote from: notquitethere on June 22, 2014, 06:39:12 pm

Quote from: Imperial Guardsman on June 22, 2014, 06:36:23 pm

IDGAF, ZU has contributed absolutely nothing.

Well, I wouldn't go quite that far. What do you think of his sexton claim?

If it isn't a fake claim, we are screwed.

Why is that?

@Persus13:

ZU:

Quote from: zombie urist on June 17, 2014, 01:09:38 pm

Ohh looking at Toasters post I noticed another smallNQT contradiction He said to Toaster he was unsure of end time which is why he asked but said to me if nothing else happened that day IG would be lynched.

Elaborate and quote please.

He's talking about Toaster's post here. Which I actually think is a totally valid point. However, it's still Toaster's reasoning, not ZU's. So he's being incredibly lazy again.

IG:

Quote from: Imperial Guardsman on June 18, 2014, 05:09:43 pm

Quote from: notquitethere on June 18, 2014, 04:51:01 pm

Imperial Guardsman: other than flailing about and shouting in all caps, how are you going to earn your survival through this day?

I already told you that Im acting as a Priest for the town, I just want flabort alive.

Why did you decide not to rez last night?

I would suspect IG more of being the body snatcher.

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@Jack AT:

Quote from: ToonyMan on June 19, 2014, 10:13:50 pm

1. Jiokuy is his partner and he can divert the lynch onto somebody else to save him.

ToonyMan: And do you think there is a significant chance of NQT being the partner of the SK Jiokuy?  Because I rather doubt that Jiokuy had a partner, what with him being an SK.  If you do think there is, why?  If you don't, then what is this doing in an explanation of a scum read you posted today (with the knowledge that Jiokuy was a serial killer) in response to a question today?

I don't believe Jiokuy had any partners. I'd rather have a complete line of reasoning.

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@Zombie Urist:
Do you think Persus13 and NQT are both scum? Who's worse?

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@Notquitethere:

Toony

Quote from: ToonyMan on June 19, 2014, 10:13:50 pm

If NQT is scum:
1. Jiokuy is his partner and he can divert the lynch onto somebody else to save him.
2. Jiokuy is not his partner (town or a third-party), but NQT has become aware what Jiokuy is because he claimed and/or decided it would be better to switch the lynch onto somebody else who might be more dangerous.

Anybody else could join your vote-switching wagon if they're either your scum partners, or town who have become jumpy because of the last minute changes and are second guessing themselves. Not cool.

Yes but you plainly know that 1 is false, and why would a scum player (let alone a cultist) want to preserve the life of a killer? (Maybe to night-convert them? But Meph confirmed last night that you can't convert monster hunters, and so my guess is serial killers likewise cannot be converted.)

We shall ask then.

Toony, what do you think of ZU's sexton claims?

I have actually been a Cult Sexton in Supernatural 2. I remember being pretty open about my sightings, so I wouldn't trust ZU's alignment just because he claimed, but he's most probably a real sexton.

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@TheWetSheep:
Have any reads or did everybody else get to them first?

@Notquitethere:

ToonyMan: Should we lynch Zombie Urist today?

Yeah. Zombie Urist.

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@Zombie Urist:
Can you please give me your impressions of Toaster and Jack AT? (I ask again, and again)

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@Jack AT:

ToonyMan: Near the end of a long, high-activity day, your main suspects were three lurkers.  For lurking.  Two of those lurkers, zombie urist and Ottofar, you said were playing as they normally did, but could "easily" be scum based on that.  After that, you FoSed Jim for being really angry.

Look, I never suspected anybody for lurking. I questioned Ottofar for putting off his investigation (which is ridiculous), I questioned Jiokuy for not giving a vote late into the day, and I put forth a question towards ZU and used my hefty "lynch vote" to goad a response. If I were to vote a player for lurking it would be Tiruin (now Hapah) or Persus13.

A lurking player isn't posting, maybe you mean active-lurking?

Toony, was there anything about zombie urist's play that made you specifically think he was scum when you voted him, or was your vote just based on not liking his "usual" playstyle?  Can you explain why you suspect(ed) Jim, including how his anger indicates scumhood (if it does)?  What are your current reads?

I'll get back to you on the first part when ZU finally notices I exist. Ignoring somebody is scummy.

I still suspect Jim, he's usually a bit more competent than he has been. He was right about Jiokuy, but he was a special Werebear SK so that doesn't really prove there was any relationship between them, good or bad.

Reads on suspects, hmmm:

Scummy

Zombie Urist - Most importantly, disregarding me.
4maskwolf/TheWetSheep - I left 4maskwolf as a target because he replaced out and I have a policy not to target people who aren't playing, I didn't expect TWS to replace so soon but it's fine. I don't have a read on TWS so this is a placeholder sadly.
Notquitethere - In contrast to Jim, posts a five chain "train of thought" spasm that shouldn't happen. Trying to change the lynch an hour before day end is really skirting the line, even if you believe their claim.
Ottofar - Waiting for that promised delivery (this is why you don't wait until Day 2)

Middle Ground

Imperial Guardsman - claimed third-party, don't really trust, maybe they could actually help town?
flabort - as trust-worthy as IG really, maybe slightly better
Jim Groovester - wrote a completely logical reason why Jiokuy's claim is garbage which looks good, a complete contrast to his RAGE posts that were hard to uh, read coherently
Tiruin/Hapah - give them a day to post some
Persus13 - bumped down a bit since they haven't been contributing much lately

Good Feels

Toaster - I'm starting to agree with his view of IG really, while IG is probably telling most of the truth he's just a big liability and his latest posts have been mediocre
Jack AT - scumhunting looks solid

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PPE:
Flabort a mass-claim is retarded.

Jim: Even with your OMGUS, overall I found you towny. I was trying to recreate RVS a few days late. I shouldn't have left so many clauses for backing out though. This is defiantly a game of confidence.

Why is Jim towny?

I didn't want to turn into IG with the crazy claiming, could I get one more person to agree this is a good idea before I do it?

Claim.

A solid Scum Hunter Toaster has perused many cases thoroughly with any eye for whether they are town or not. Having reviewed the thread, I can't even conjure a single criticism.
This is the problem I keep running into.

How about his suspicion of Imperial Guardsman? Why isn't he trying to get a claimed third-party lynched, when he would shoot him if he was a vig?

@Toaster:

Toony is being really uncharacteristically quiet.  Besides his vote on 4mask and ZU (the latter not strong), pretty much all the content he posted was in his read post, which was minimum-effort and noncommittal.  Just look at these:

Spoiler: Toony's read post (click to show/hide)

Quote from: ToonyMan on June 13, 2014, 01:12:59 pm

4maskwolf - just as hyper as IG but has nothing to show for it, super defensive and reactive, doesn't believe IG's claim either I think? It depends on the weather.
zombie urist - same play as usual, could easily be scum from my experience playing games with him
Ottofar - same as ZU
notquitethere - feels on edge, just as protective as 4maskwolf, I don't suspect him enough right now to lynch this day
Tiruin - seems halfhearted, could just be busy
Jim Groovester - same as Tiruin
Imperial Guardsman - very likely a third-party like he claims, has a 50% revive so he's like a priest we can't trust or rely on, posts way too much
Toaster - nothing exceedingly suspicious, doesn't believe IG's claim
flabort - probably town power role, probably gonna die
Jack A T - haven't had a problem with any of his posts, no scum reads
Jiokuy - seems genuine, no issues yet
Persus13 - same as Jack A T

About the only real stands he makes here are NQT and 4mask.  Toony, why are you coasting through D1?

I'm not. I gave my honest feelings.

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@JiM. Bison:

Quote from: ToonyMan on June 16, 2014, 11:50:57 am

@Jim Groovebot:
You're being way more childish than normal! Where's our ultra competent Sigma?

More childish than normal? Then what's the average level of childishness that people expect out of me?
Also, this isn't Sigma, this is M. Bison, and I feel like recently (i.e. the past couple of years) I have not played well in games of mafia.

Why did you throw a fit at Jiokuy? Just say you were away.

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@Jiokuy:
You probably want to role-claim.

Unvote 4maskwolf

@4maskwolf:

Quote from: ToonyMan on June 13, 2014, 01:12:59 pm

4maskwolf - [1]just as hyper as IG but has [2]nothing to show for it, [3]super defensive and reactive, [4]doesn't believe IG's claim either I think? [5]It depends on the weather.

[1]Assuming you're talking about my post count, is there a problem with posting a lot?
[2]Other than my scumhunting, you mean?
[3]Would you rather I rolled over and gotten lynched?
[4a]I actually do believe his claim of third party
[4b]And it matters if I believe him why?
[5]Wut?

[1] Posting a lot is okay, but it needs to be less emotional and less spam-y. If you're hovering over the thread pressing F5 waiting for a response from a person you know is online, you probably need to back off for a bit. Think of mafia as debate class.
[2] I seem to remember Jack AT and Persus13 pressuring Imperial Guardsman better than you.
[3] No. I noticed you and NQT are being overly critical of people who vote you and I generally see that as a scum tell.
[4a] Ah, okay.
[4b] As of right now I find people who believe him to probably be less scummy, as I am of the opinion that IG is telling the truth and if I'm town and think so then other townspeople would probably think the same thing. Obviously not concrete, but hey.
[5] I was poking fun at your wishy-washy stance. I was unable to get a clear answer when I was trawling the thread.

Now, Toony: you are listing two people who have posted very little over someone who you actually have a complaint with on your scumminess meter.  Why is that?  Trying to make it seem that NQT isn't a big threat?

I do not trust Zombie Urist or Ottofar, at all. I can't gauge somebody who hardly speak their mind. I'm happy with a few things NQT is doing so I'd like to give him a chance.

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@Ottofar:

I'd rather post more in-depth reads on D2, when there's some concrete evidence around. But, I can post something concise when I get tomorrow, for everyone to see.

What would happen if nobody felt like posting on Day 1? If everybody took your stance it'd be a quiet first day.

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@Jiokuy:

Wolf, Tiruin (or her replacement), Jiokuy
Deadline hits Monday now. You going to use your vote before then? Jiokuy especially has yet to press a single lynching case yet.

What he said.

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@Zombie Urist:

And here's my lynch vote for Day 1 unless something silly happens:

Zombie Urist for not engaging in the game and being unhelpful. Have anything to say? What are your thoughts on Jack AT and Toaster?