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@4maskwolf:

Quote from: ToonyMan on June 12, 2014, 03:13:23 pm

Quote from: 4maskwolf on June 12, 2014, 01:00:52 pm

Quote from: Toaster on June 12, 2014, 01:00:18 pm

Quote from: Tiruin on June 12, 2014, 12:59:42 pm

Am I seriously the only one who plans, as a survivor, to work on Town's side always?

Yep.

Nope.

Bullshit. Play to your wincon. A scum player doesn't betray his team and reveal them at the start does he?

This sounds remarkably like "my fun is more important than your fun" to me.  I can play however I like, thanks.  There are certain social norms governing the scum, but if I was a loner third-party survivor then I wouldn't have any strictures on how I play.  I could claim day one if I wanted to.

I can't control what you do, but I wouldn't want a player on my side who isn't playing to win. I suppose a completely third-party player could do whatever the hell they want though. Not that I would support that at all.

Toony: When you get back from drinking with your buddies, could you give us your reads.  Thanks.

Sure.

Scum

4maskwolf - just as hyper as IG but has nothing to show for it, super defensive and reactive, doesn't believe IG's claim either I think? It depends on the weather.
zombie urist - same play as usual, could easily be scum from my experience playing games with him
Ottofar - same as ZU
notquitethere - feels on edge, just as protective as 4maskwolf, I don't suspect him enough right now to lynch this day
Tiruin - seems halfhearted, could just be busy
Jim Groovester - same as Tiruin
Imperial Guardsman - very likely a third-party like he claims, has a 50% revive so he's like a priest we can't trust or rely on, posts way too much
Toaster - nothing exceedingly suspicious, doesn't believe IG's claim
flabort - probably town power role, probably gonna die
Jack A T - haven't had a problem with any of his posts, no scum reads
Jiokuy - seems genuine, no issues yet
Persus13 - same as Jack A T

Not Scum


This is directed at Toaster, however:

Toaster:
You haven't said anything this morning despite posting in other threads several times.  Who do you think is the most suspicious player right now.

Calm

Down.

Deep

Breaths.

Some people (like me) only have time to read the thread and make a post once a day.

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@JimBot:
I got angry at Imperial Guardsman because I was having terrible flash backs to Witches' Coven. That really hurt the game flow and the game's enjoyment was dampened quite a bit for me.

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I have a forewarning. I'll be away for the weekend in a place with no Wi-Fi. I don't think I'll be able to post on Saturday or Sunday.

I gave NQT my reflection shield that night he killed me too.

@4maskwolf:

Everyone else who has played supernatural: Is Toaster right?  Is it difficult to impossible to determine the scumteam from looking at the opening flavortext?

I would say so, yes.

PPE:

Quote from: ToonyMan on June 11, 2014, 03:25:58 pm

4maskwolf and Imperial Guardsman, what's the deal here?

Quote from: 4maskwolf on June 11, 2014, 09:42:01 am

I think it is important that everyone talks, but not that I talk to everyone.  That should answer your question.

Can you think of why this isn't actually a good thing?

In a word: time.  I simply don't have the time or attention to maintain conversations with everyone at once.  So I pick and choose the battles that I fight.

How do you pick and choose?

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@Imperial Guardsman:

Quote from: ToonyMan on June 11, 2014, 03:25:58 pm

Quote from: Imperial Guardsman on June 11, 2014, 01:16:11 pm

Quote from: Jack A T on June 11, 2014, 01:02:26 pm

Imperial Guardsman: Interesting.  Why weren't you aware of that?  Had you not read Toaster's post?  Were you only reading the posts of people who addressed questions to you or something?

Yes.

Is this because of a lack of time or lack of interest/effort?

Time.

Do you think this will hurt your play?

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@Jiokuy:

Lord Toaster, Toonyman: As two of the most experienced players, and since this "war" is coming to a close, care to share your reads of Wolf and Guardsman.

I think they both need to calm down. I don't think either of them are smelling like roses either.

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@flabort:

IG, dude. You've hit -11 on my scumometer. Nobody, nobody ever, hit's below -8.
Meanwhile, 4mask has hit full green (+5.1 or above).
Know what? Full list of reads:
4maskwolf: +6
Jack AT: +5
Toaster: +4
Persus13: +4
NotQuiteThere: +3
Jiokuy: +3
Ottofar: +2
Toonyman: +2
ZU: +1
Imperial Guardsman: -11
Where everybody starts at 0.

Everybody is town in your eyes except IG?

@Notquitethere:

ToonyMan Do you think not voting is ever a scum tell?

Yes. A vote is usually the only thing town can use to kill scum.

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@Jack A T:

ToonyMan: What sort of cues will you look for in the flavour each day, if any?

I don't know. I can't remember being able to do well just from reading flavor in Supernatural.

Have a wild guess in what this potential new element is?

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@Persus13:

Everyone: Anyone willing to bet on the scum team this time around?

I bet it's a cult with something random thrown in.

Toonyman: What Supernatural game is your favorite? Why?

Supernatural Mafia 4. I wasn't in this game, however there were devils and demons and everybody died horribly.

Also this happened.

In terms of my past history with Supernatural:

Supernatural 6 - Town Warlock who got totally owned by a super overpowered mafia team. My first lose.
Supernatural 5 - Incredibly bizarre game that ends up stalling and dying, the outcome is a draw I think. I started as a Town Knight and ended up getting revived by a Werewolf Priest to become a Werewolf Knight. My scum buddies were Orangebottle, Tiruin, and Think0028 who was replaced by Flandre who was replaced by Webadict.
Supernatural 4 - not in
Supernatural 3 - not in
Supernatural 2 - Cult Sexton with scum buddies Toaster and Org, I randomly lied about seeing something that turned out to be true, scum win after Toaster gets us the victory. I did not survive again.
Supernatural 1 - Human Vampire Hunter in a game with no vampires, town win though I did not survive.

Out of a total of 4 games I've finished so far:

2 wins - one as town, one as mafia
1 lose - as town
1 draw - as mafia

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@flabort:

Toonyman If there were a kingmaker, and the king had 5 votes to use, would you try to lynch the kingmaker?

Uh, if I thought they were scum, yes.

Aw I thought he started peppering his posts with the sound of music.

@TheDarkStar:

I will try not to die. I'll also answer RVS questions.

What would you be afraid of dying from most? For example, being lynched, being killed during the night, poisoned...

PPE: Toony, remember KotM 4 when everyone got a daykill and how silly it became ?

Yes. Yes I do.

Everyone:
Who would you daykill right now if you could (and please don't actually do it  )?
What role would you say is most powerful in the hands of the Prince/Princess Mafia?
What roles/abilities should not be claimed in the mass claim, if any (answer for town and then for mafia)?

No.
Actions like poison and daykill that allow mafia to break lylo are quite powerful.
As someone mentioned, oozes probably have a prejudice thanks to how often they turn out to be King Mafia so claiming that could get pretty funky. Mafia shouldn't their extra kills or protections, only actions that can "confirm" them. Town should try to claim everything if it comes to that point I think.

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@TheWetSheep:

Toony:

Quote from: ToonyMan on June 05, 2014, 11:56:17 am

@TheWetSheep:

Quote from: TheWetSheep on June 04, 2014, 04:58:40 pm

Sheep

Voting yourself is dumb. Voting yourself to catch scum is dumber. What do you expect to accomplish with this besides tricking newbie town?

Catch scum? It's to start conversation. It's worked better than a bunch of hypotheticals so far.

I think my past self would have agreed, however there's an unmistakable heat you attract by acting outlandish like that. I would say that a town player or scum player are just as likely to find your actions suspicious.

Do you think your vote on a lurker is going to get them to respond faster?

Nope.

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@Notquitethere:

Toony

Quote from: ToonyMan on June 05, 2014, 11:56:17 am

An inspect. Killing is all and good only if there's like one vigilante. What if the majority of players are killers? At the first night they'd probably kill someone with your logic because they are unaware a lot more kills would also be happening.

Well, that's why I think lots of deaths early on are good, then a mass claim and then night plan and then town-victory through mutually arranged destruction.

Quote from: ToonyMan on June 05, 2014, 11:56:17 am

Why are you responding like someone who works by himself?

You asked me specifically what power. In truth, town doesn't generally win in this game mode from just one power but rather (as well as scum-hunting etc.) a harmonious combination of intersecting powers. Do you disagree?

No, I agree. It's unlikely that every player would be a cop or killer so your scenario is more likely.

That is, instead of everybody getting inspected during the first night and the Prince Mafia being outed quickly, there's going to be a bit of disorder. This is because everyone knows they have a chance of being the mafia, so if they chose cop they could make their mafia game much harder because an inspect is useless. A mafia player could easily lie about getting inspect results, unless the town get lucky with having a miller or something silly.

Why are you still watching?

The Light Novel has extremely high ratings on Manga-Updates, so maybe he's like me and has to figure out

why

Why must the best japan only anime games be so text heavy.

* Furtuka sulks over the impossibility of any translation of Gihrens Greed

Wait ten years or learn Nipponese.