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I noticed I did it backwards after posting too.

Oh right, something I was thinking about at work today.

This is just a theory, but with the one-extension-per-player-only rule there can be some interesting meta.

For example, scum should not hold onto their extensions, this is because at the end of the game only a few people will have extensions, extensions help town for the most part.  If there's two players left with extensions and only one is willing to extend, then that looks a lot more town.  So to counter this the scum would probably want to extend as early as possible when it's much less useful and won't have the pressure of much needed extends towards the end.

@Makeinu:

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 10, 2014, 08:09:43 pm

@Superblackcat:

Quote from: Superblackcat on January 09, 2014, 10:29:17 pm

Toony: Mind sharing?

Not yet, I'm also more positive that there is no SK this game but we can get to that.

Why, precisely? And what specifically makes you more positive there's no SK this game? At what point will you be willing to share this secret discovery? I mean, if it's evidence he's scum, then out with it, let's hear the case. Meta, maybe, but I'll refer to where Max White replaced out of Paranormal 23, and turned out to be the last scum. Or are you wanting to wait until he returns/replaces because you're less than certain, yet certain enough to pressure vote?

There's most likely no SK if Persus died because he's a hider and not because he was killed normally.  I address the other points in the reply to Native and I have already unvoted Puffer for the time being because we can't get anywhere if they're not here.

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 10, 2014, 08:09:43 pm

Zombie Urist was the obvious scum kill because he thought of Caz as a strong town right before day end.

How does that make him the obvious scum kill? He had a different suspect in mind, Imperial Guardsman. Just spit-balling here, but given he was apparently convinced that Caz was Town, if I'd been scum, I'd have left him alive and allowed him to start a mislynch train on a Caz voter. So clearly, we think differently, and I'd like to understand your reasoning here.

It's true.  I've addressed this, but to further along this thought if Urist Imik is town then the scum can still do exactly what you are supposing ZU would do towards IG.  The vengeful kill didn't help town at all this time either.

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 10, 2014, 08:09:43 pm

@Tiruin:
Okay, let me go about this a different way.  I don't understand your case on DarkStar here.  You only seem to be voting DarkStar because he's voting UI and your other comments are about him using the wrong bbcode on Day 1, what's suspicious about saying color=blue instead of color=red and then correcting it?

No. Just... no. What's suspicious about typing color=blue instead of color=red, you mean? Aside from the facts that red and blue are different words of different lengths and different meanings that start, progress through, and end on, different parts of the keyboard? <sarcasm>I mean, sure, they both have an "r" and an "e", so I can see how that could be mixed up.</sarcasm>

It's muscle memory.  Whenever I type [color= I subconsciously start doing 'red', what if DarkStar just FoSs people more than I do?  It's not a lynch-worthy vote for me.

Or perhaps you mean how easy it is to slip in the pulldown "Change Color" menu and skip over to the next five intervening menu entries to get blue instead of red?

I don't use that menu, but it's more damning if DarkStar does.  I don't think it's worth asking now at this point since he can lie if he's scum or hurt himself if he's really town.

You seem rather interested in defending TheDarkStar, ToonyMan. Covering, perhaps?

Finding the truth.

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@NativeForeigner:

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 11, 2014, 11:30:27 am

But let me just say now that I'm only more sure there isn't an SK and I am not certain Pufferfish is necessarily mafia.  Because he isn't here though I can't be wasting my vote unfortunately.  So Unvote for now I'll be back later today.

If you're not sure whether or not Pufferfish is mafia, could you clarify what you think they might be? Maybe tell us what he did at night?

They could be town, mafia, or an SK possibly, and with Persus flipping hider he probably died from hiding behind anti-town, but that could explain another kill as well.  It's very vexing.  This matter would have been settled quickly if Pufferfish was actually here, so hopefully the scientist that is on fire can replace in.

I will not say what he did at night until he says what he did first.

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@Superblackcat:

TDS. Much Defensive.
Wow.
You do a good job, of doing a bad job.

Is that it?  Have other thoughts or concerns?

@Superblackcat:

Toony: Mind sharing?

Not yet, I'm also more positive that there is no SK this game but we can get to that.

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@Urist Imik:

Toony

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 09, 2014, 10:05:19 pm

I have to side with DarkStar here, it looks to me like you don't really care who you're lynching UI, and with this vote on DarkStar you're following the momentum you created from the Caz lynch train.  What do you think?

I think you're quite mistaken and that you need to elaborate (especially the bolded part - what momentum?) so I can tell you exactly how so.

Alright, you lead a solid case on Caz (which I can agree with), but it's wrong.  Even I was fooled, but why start your next day post immediately with a DarkStar vote instead of myself or Makeinu?  Unfortunately, I can't draw a comparison with IG (since Caz shot him...) whose vote on Caz was by far the easiest comparison to make with DarkStar, but I can still address it.  Are you truly voting DarkStar because you are town and think he's scum after missing with Caz (this is what I doubt) or are you scum doing exactly what I fear?

Zombie Urist was the obvious scum kill because he thought of Caz as a strong town right before day end.

Toony and Native: Pufferfish is pending replacement. I doubt you'll get any response from him.

Tch, of course that has to be true.

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@Tiruin:

ToonyMan~

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 09, 2014, 10:05:19 pm

@Tiruin:
Urist Imik is your buddy right?

O_o
wat
...How is he my buddy?

Okay, let me go about this a different way.  I don't understand your case on DarkStar here.  You only seem to be voting DarkStar because he's voting UI and your other comments are about him using the wrong bbcode on Day 1, what's suspicious about saying color=blue instead of color=red and then correcting it?  If you say it's his true scum colors showing then I can argue your attitude yesterday when I voted you is suspicious with the emotional paragraph defense thing.

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@DarkStar:

Quote from: TheDarkStar on January 10, 2014, 05:00:26 pm

Quote from: NativeForeigner on January 10, 2014, 04:54:07 pm

Quote from: TheDarkStar on January 10, 2014, 02:57:01 pm

I have this thing called a life that means that I can't be hear every second of the day. If you want my attention, ask me a question; don't just say ANSWER ME NOW.
It's odd how you are making long posts that are simply yelling and that consist of "You're wrong". You seem to be encouraging lynches on people just to get a lynch.

I asked you a question. What's your excuse for not answering that?

I must have missed that question, unless I confused who asked what.

Okay, I see it. Here's why: Along with others, he was the main guy who got Caz mislynched.

Now don't think I'm completely siding with you here, I find UI's vote under suspect, but your vote on UI is much easier to see as "bad".  Town mislynch too remember, it's the intentions that really matter.  If you can see their reasoning and understand it as genuine town then that's how you get your read.  Unless you can find a better reason to vote UI I cannot agree with your vote.

PFP

Can you claim then?

When he went to the USA he realized it wasn't like he thought it was.

@Tiruin:

Toony
Here..
Cutting:

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Do you think there is an sk in this game?  Because that is not a guaranteed possibility.

*sigh*
It would be hard to answer this with a Yes I do or a No I don't because I'm basing that notion on 'I'll be looking for proceeding notes'. Yes, I know it isn't guaranteed, but I can't say that I really think there is-with the underline for emphasis. I'm leaning on 'yeah let's think there is just for safety' but that does quite well nothing--which I didn't mention because it deals with nothing in its essence, if you somehow saw that kind of thinking back then, then a cookie for you because I really am sure I didn't type that out.

Okay.  Unvote Tiruin.

Quote from: ToonyMan on December 31, 2013, 08:07:34 pm

@Elephant Parade:

Quote from: Elephant Parade on December 31, 2013, 01:52:10 pm

ToonyMan, you've only had one post so far, and all it contained was backing somebody else up and an unexplained assumption. Care to explain why you think Tiruin is scum (or SK) and that means ZU isn't?

When Tiruin explains their thoughts about this serial killer existence I can tell you.  I don't think ZU would attack Tiruin like this.

...You seriously are seeing it as an attack?
Ok, while my wording looks 'defensive' or whatever, I've worded it that was in assertion so I could at least get some kind of answer from him. Past experience dictates that my method of curious inquisition doesn't bring out much, so I decided to show the knife I have to increase my point--I get a 'No' for it. I did not see his subtle passive-aggressive note as a threat or an attack, however. Just attributed it to him being the usual 'oh x is like y, or x is likely a z' without doing anything about it.
I cannot say if it exists or not. I'm literally wondering now how big that effect holds onto everyone else given the questioning of 'DO YOU THINK IT EXISTS?!'
The only logical conclusion I see is people thinking 'Mm, x thinks the SK exists. Must probably be the SK'.
...Which I find confusing, really.

He's jabbing you for a scummy reaction.  I don't see it as scummy since he's always done that regardless of alignment.

Quote from: ToonyMan on December 31, 2013, 08:10:16 pm

@Imperial Guardsman:
Or did you mean what did I think of Tiruin's mafia play?  I think Tiruin has a pretty good mafia play until they claim they're mafia or third-party and get lynched.  Although that makes it a bit easier to win.

...Now you're referencing that LNCP game. >_>
Bleh.
...Ehh? Where in the world did I ever claim mafia before?

It's an exaggeration.    I was referring to Witches' Coven yes.

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@NativeForeigner:

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 02, 2014, 07:25:08 pm

@NativeForeigner, Caz:
Vote somebody.

Is there a particular reason you're concerned about my lack of vote on D1?

Not having a vote on somebody 24 hours before day end is bad.  Not voting on D1 is also bad.

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@Makeinu:
This is likely unrelated to the game, but if I ever see you killing as a vig you better have hard evidence.

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@Caz:
I do not like your attitude.  There's being afraid of dying and then there's "I don't give a crap if I'm lynched lol".  Why does UI's reason for voting you make little sense?

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@Pufferfish:
Where are you?  Who do you suspect?

People are just busy because of new years.