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That recommended STALKER MKIII chart better be finished.

No it's not.  Only 26 of 41 finished.  Over half way there!

True, but let the mafia do that.

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@Tiruin:

Toony

Quote from: ToonyMan on December 30, 2013, 08:16:33 pm

Quote from: Tiruin on December 30, 2013, 04:05:09 pm

Quote from: zombie urist on December 30, 2013, 03:58:55 pm

Quote from: TheDarkStar on December 30, 2013, 02:07:24 pm

As for Tiruin, here's why he must have simply mistyped or misread: The SK does not know how many mafia members there are and the mafia do not know if there is a serial killer. If he was scum, he still could not have actually told you. We can have anywhere between 2 and 3 mafia and 0 or 1 serial killer, but the fact that one is a certain way does not make the other a certain way.

Tiruin could be the sk.

Pretty passive-aggressive speculation/focus. Care to back it up?

Not exactly.  What's wrong with what he's saying Tiruin?

Quote from: Caz on December 30, 2013, 07:57:36 pm

ToonyMan: If you were doctor, who would you protect N1? Why?

Zombie Urist.  Because if Tiruin is scum then ZU probably isn't.

Your ability to be both obtuse, and have this kind of suspicion as your first post without asking anyone else quite anything astounds me.

You say 'Not exactly' without giving your own meaning--then you ask me for my own. Dear god, I can already infer why you're suspecting me.

What I guess he's saying is that he's leaving results and speculation to the wind, stating something, and letting the 'feelings' be the one to talk about it--he's not saying it in public, however. That, and I've grown quite fond of ZU's brevity. It is both annoying, and incredibly annoying.

So I poke him about it. You find something wrong with me there, that you fail to do anything else but make yourself seem to 'Oh I'm so sure about Tiruin, let's word this so to grill her.'?

I don't see your smiling face beforehand in any posts, bucko, and let me state this before you go on and ramble about 'Statement x would cause person y to be concerned so...' or imply that 'I got concerned because this targets my role': I am not one to jump on shallow reasoning or first-fact-at-hand basis. I hate it when people be passive-aggressive, and when people don't be detailed about stuff and just throw things at other people to rely on emotional or whatever response (believe it that we've a certain special phrase in Tagalog about it. 'Bato, bato sa langit. Kung may tumama/Ang tamaan, huwag magalit'. Google it up. While you may come upon another answer to what I have here [due to it being originally lyrics in a song], I'm talking about people just spouting off whatever without even caring to detail it and leaving it as such), then you'll get the scorn I had right there. While you'd ask on why I'm reacting like this despite having no details proceeding that, from ZU, I'm saying that 'I'm very well damn annoyed at this kind of playstyle' as my response. If said person is town--they're not being helpful to those with different kinds of mindsets. If said person is scum--then damn them for being so short-versed. ((oOOooh, scorn! Tiruin feels that much about it! She's scum! :O))

And I formatted my post to be both pointy, and address the detail in question, if you're too blind to see that. Or possibly, you share the same ideals as ZU there. Would you use the excuse of 'reaction-pressure-vote' to get me, or say that 'Tiruin made a detailed post; she is scum because she's so concerned'. Well, you have my answer--I'd love to see how you call me out.

That, and I'm really irritated at you once again for your meta of being vague and blank. But its not that, its that THAT'S YOUR FIRST POST, so it must mean something.

I came late so I just voted who I felt looked the most shady/suspicious.

More importantly, in my sleep-deprived state I failed to point out what I was saying "not really" too I guess.

Do you think there is an sk in this game?  Because that is not a guaranteed possibility.  It seems to me that you're asking ZU if he can back up his accusation that you think there's an sk, which seems totally valid.  I was almost swayed by your emotional paragraphs and will probably unvote if you can give a reasonable reply.  I am not voting you because I think you're overreacting, your concerns about that seem genuine.

Quote from: ToonyMan on December 30, 2013, 08:16:33 pm

Quote from: Caz on December 30, 2013, 07:57:36 pm

ToonyMan: If you were doctor, who would you protect N1? Why?

Zombie Urist.  Because if Tiruin is scum then ZU probably isn't.

Let me throw it back at you: Dafuq is this.

I don't think ZU usually busses on Day 1?  I guess you could press a case on a buddy but it seems unlikely.

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@Pufferfish:

Toony:
How do you scum hunt? I want details. More than "I ask and press and question everyone". Tell me exactly how you would handle someone you didn't have a clear read on.

I don't think I've played a game with you either so I should probably give an analysis of my own play-style.

I prefer concise and simple posts.  I usually don't have enough time in the first place to write up large posts, but I do make scumread lists after Day 1 usually.  I don't asks questions just to ask questions.  If I have a clear read on a person I will usually hold that view for the remainder of the game, that is, if Player A does an extremely town action and Player B does an extremely scummy action I'll see them as such until they die or some big turnabout happens.

If I don't have a clear read on somebody it's usually because they're lurking and I don't get to read their posts.  General feels from a post is a great way to get reads.  Because you ask yourself "does this feel right?" and if that's a no then you can further expound with "why doesn't it feel right?".  This is a generic course of action, but you can see this is action as this game progress and in my past games.

As an example of my brevity, this response is usually the longest you'll get out of me.  I do think Zombie Urist (and Org) are too brief and I admit my first post was too short, partly because I was exhausted yesterday and the game suddenly started.

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@Imperial Guardsman:

Tiruin and Toony, what do you think of each others Mafia ( not the game, the informed minority inside of the game ) play?

Hello!  I haven't been mafia at game start for awhile now (except Truth Mafia if that counts) I think so it's hard to say.  I don't think I could carry a poor team match up or bad luck, but I think I'm pretty good.

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@Elephant Parade:

ToonyMan, you've only had one post so far, and all it contained was backing somebody else up and an unexplained assumption. Care to explain why you think Tiruin is scum (or SK) and that means ZU isn't?

When Tiruin explains their thoughts about this serial killer existence I can tell you.  I don't think ZU would attack Tiruin like this.

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@Caz:
No, don't pretend to act scummy to bait scum.  Stop it.  This is why you can't vote somebody for being too townie.  If somebody votes you for being scummy but you tell them you were pretending then what's that?  Too scummy?  No don't do that.

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I'm confused over this cop matter.  Cops should be possible from my understanding?  Role cops and Gunsmiths are totally cops, even if not as useful as alignment cops.

Oh fine.

And for extra fun if the Mind Stealer is killed/lynched have all the roles they stole randomly given to vanilla players.

Also Makeinu and Toaster, Jim and I were totally going to go behind your back and block/abduct you two just in case if the game actually continued.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 21, 2013, 05:43:19 pm

makeinu's plan is dumb and I don't like it.
There's literally no reason to abduct you since if you perform a roleblock then you're not performing the night kill.
There's also no reason for you to block Caz since he has no action.
It also leaves him, Toaster, and Tiruin to do whatever they want, which completely boggles my mind since I am of the opinion that they're the three remaining candidates for the final dopp.
I say you and I depart from the plan to do something more productive, like roleblock and abduct makeinu and Toaster.

Yeah sure.  I guess I'll role-block Makeinu and you can abduct Toaster.  I was a bit worried that Makeinu and Toaster were a team but since Imp died that would only leave one dopp left.  If there's still a kill then Makeinu and Toaster certainly didn't do it so we'd lynch Tiruin, the end.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 22, 2013, 06:29:35 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on December 22, 2013, 11:22:05 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 21, 2013, 05:43:19 pm

makeinu's plan is dumb and I don't like it.
There's literally no reason to abduct you since if you perform a roleblock then you're not performing the night kill.
There's also no reason for you to block Caz since he has no action.
It also leaves him, Toaster, and Tiruin to do whatever they want, which completely boggles my mind since I am of the opinion that they're the three remaining candidates for the final dopp.
I say you and I depart from the plan to do something more productive, like roleblock and abduct makeinu and Toaster.

Wait maybe I should block Toaster and you abduct Makeinu.  I have a more likely feeling Toaster would be the dopp and I'm not exactly sure how Mind Stealer works.  If you actually abducted the last dopp wouldn't you become a dopp for that day/night cycle?

I'll have the dopp win con, but if I get it I have no intention of keeping it. If I abduct the last dopp, the only way to get at him is to wait for him to come back, which gives me time to find a new wincon, or lynch me, which leaves a dopp free to roam around at night. I think everyone will go with the former option.

I should be safe, whoever I target.

Alright I'll do Makeinu then.

I feel kind of bad I couldn't replace sooner.  I could have given SBC advice as his scum partner.

EDIT:
That's actually not true.  SBC would then have to replace Sinless and the game would be very different...

This was literally the easiest game of mafia I have ever been in.  I didn't have to think once after replacing in.