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Mafia / Re: Supernatural Mafia 6 - Day 1 Wakes the Sleepers
« on: October 30, 2013, 11:43:21 am »
One mid-term down, one to go.


@Cmega3:
Quote from: Cmega3 on October 29, 2013, 07:32:39 pm
@ToonyMan - Do you think Mafia pushing town to lynch another Mafia member a good idea if it can improve odds of success? If so, what ocations could it be used on?
I don't think bussing is a very good idea.  I remember an older game from this year where Toaster bussed I think and it just hurt the mafia team.  I think the distancing you get from bussing isn't worth it unless you're pulling a big gamble.


@Imp:
Quote from: Imp on October 30, 2013, 05:06:20 am
Unlimited Words Work
You know, with this amount of effort I have a harder time believing your mafia.  Your suspect is wrong, but you seem genuine on your attack, the most convincing bit is probably here for me:
Quote from: Imp on October 30, 2013, 05:06:20 am
5)  Either didn't bother to check the game's rules about extension limits (as he later indirectly claims) or just doesn't care.  Just not caring could explain not bothering to check and isn't contradicted by any evident care or effort in any other part of his play this game.  Toony's here to 'win easy, if he can', just like he said in his first post.  Game can work around him, players can wait on him.  This would be acceptable to me, if Toony had been saying 'I can't play yet, I can't give this game what it deserves yet'.  Instead, he keeps his focus on being here to 'win easy, if he can' - thus his illusion of scumhunting.
Which is tricky word play, but I should be more careful with what I say.

Your accusation seems primarily that I am a survivor though, which is not true (I am not anti-town of any sort).  Do you think I'm mafia or third-party, exactly?


@NQT:
Quote from: notquitethere on October 30, 2013, 06:32:59 am
Toony— I know you're very busy right now, but could you briefly explain why Jim is a good target right now?
He hasn't been pressured at all for most of the day.  Since nobody had the incentive to I'll go into unexplored territory myself.  He also seemed pushy on me attacking Cmega3 more, so I'd like to learn in further detail why him and Persus13 are scum buddies.


Also extend again.  I'd like to at least exchange with Jim before day end.

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Mafia / Re: Supernatural Mafia 6 - Day 1 Wakes the Sleepers
« on: October 29, 2013, 07:12:53 pm »
@Imp:
Quote from: Imp on October 29, 2013, 07:05:23 am
Toonyman:
Quote from: ToonyMan on October 28, 2013, 09:08:56 pm
Quote from: Tiruin on October 28, 2013, 03:58:22 pm
Quote from: ToonyMan on October 28, 2013, 02:53:44 pm
@Imp:
Quote from: Imp on October 28, 2013, 08:33:31 am
Quote from: ToonyMan on October 27, 2013, 12:00:23 pm
I think Imp is too good a player to make that error
What are you basing this belief upon?
If you lack the self-esteem to see yourself as a skilled player I should say by my impressions you seem pretty competent or at least proactive.
...Really? I think its a bit too early to make the reference on 'too good to do [this] error' here. Imp is technically fairly new to Bay12 forum mafia..
I could say the same for myself as I don't see myself as skilled at all given...my whole history on this board.
True enough, I can't recall seeing a player mistake a typical game for a bastard but it's probably happened.  Although Imp is voting me now for some reason...?
I would appreciate an answer to my question instead of a dodge.  None-the-less, I will discuss the garbage you dish out in lieu of an answer, this time.
What??  What did I miss??

Quote from: Imp on October 29, 2013, 07:05:23 am
I do not lack self-esteem.  Nor am I unable to analyze my own experiences.  You have utterly failed to ask, or notice when it was previously mentioned, which it partially was in this thread.  This is my second Mafia game in any format.  My first is the currently unfinished Beginner's Mafia on this forum.  The next closest game I've ever played to Mafia is 'heads up 7 up' which I last played around 30 years ago - it's a very distant cousin which has almost nothing in common with Mafia.  I first noticed Mafia existed about three months ago, and did not start to try and learn its rules until the recent BM started, about a month ago.
You don't post like a newbie player, at all...

Quote from: Imp on October 29, 2013, 07:05:23 am
You have no time for any Scumhunting, yet.  This game has extension limits; the maximum possible D extension ends Thursday, the day before your 'best possible time' to actually be able to focus on the game.
I realized that today.  I should be okay Thursday evening but yeah that doesn't really give time since the day would be ending before then.

Also, I am scum-hunting.  The best a person can when they have two mid-terms back to back in oh, under 24 hours at this point.  I want to take the egotistical horse and go "be glad I'm even posting substance!".

Quote from: Imp on October 29, 2013, 07:05:23 am
However, you see perfectly fit to pick a single detail, give a single reason, and park your vote.  You ask no questions about my Scumminess, one of the few 'lessons' that was 'taught' in my not-yet-over first BM - you ask questions and actively scumhunt.  Not you - to you I'm Scum because you (don't even bother to really) say so.  You have no interest in verifying anything; you brush aside questions from multiple people (not myself) about your vote and its stated reason, one asking you repeatedly about your reasoning.  When I ask you for the basis of your thinking, you refuse to give it, instead providing a two-part single sentence of drivel, one part flailing to attempt an attack at my self-esteem, the second part saying that your impressions make me seem competent or at least proactive.
I was never attacking your self-esteem.  I was wondering whether you'd admit to being inexperienced or admit to acting oddly (aka possible scum suspect), but instead I get...yeah acting oddly would be a good way to put it.  Hence the vote!

Quote from: Imp on October 29, 2013, 07:05:23 am
Garbage.  I -asked- for the basis of your belief that I was too skilled a player to make what you consider to be that sort of mistake.
I've answered this!!

Quote from: Imp on October 29, 2013, 07:05:23 am
To my limited experience and understanding, your behavior looks quite textbook Scumlike.  Will you waste more effort on defending yourself than you have so far on your incredibly absent Scumhunting?  That would be rather textbook Scumlike too from what I've read.
So you're drawing the inexperienced card now?

I don't even care anymore.  Unvote Imp.


@Toaster:
For extended clarity, my vote on Imp was not meant to be a RVS at all.  I managed to have my first post late enough that there was already fuck shit tons of posts everywhere.  And of course I'm just totally stressed from school right now but I've never dropped a mafia game ever so there.  My concentration has been shot the last few days.


@Jim Groove:
Why are Cmega3 and Persus13 scum buddies again?  Also you seem pretty relaxed, are you enjoying yourself?

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Mafia / Re: Supernatural Mafia 6 - Day 1 Wakes the Sleepers
« on: October 29, 2013, 03:36:08 pm »
PFP

Quote from: Toaster on October 29, 2013, 09:54:25 am
ToonyMan:
Quote from: ToonyMan on October 28, 2013, 09:08:56 pm
@Toaster
Quote from: Toaster on October 28, 2013, 03:27:35 pm
Toony:
Quote from: ToonyMan on October 25, 2013, 06:42:07 am
Also I'm voting Imp for voting a player who doesn't exist, you should know better.
Since when is derping out a valid reason to vote someone?
When it's my first post of the game and I prefer not asking RVS questions.  I don't feel particularly keen on moving it right now, maybe Tiruin for being defensive (that vote on Caz was pretty bad) or Nerjin for going for easy targets (first Imp with me, now Max White with somebody).  Max White and NQT seems like too much of a gamble since either or both is/are likely town I feel.
So you put what amounts to an RVS vote on him and just stick it there with no backup reasoning other than "no one else is that scummy?"  Really, Toony?  That's the best you can do?
No.  I do not make RVS votes, you misinterpret and I am severely lacking the time and energy to be more coherent.  I find Imp scummy for being verbose and misleading and try to figure out what they are even saying to me in this WoT.  And in the very post you quote me giving reasons on other suspects like Tiruin or Nerjin who I would easily vote if I wasn't particular to Imp right now.

Like seriously I literally don't even have time to write more in this post I have to leave in 15 minutes.  Yeah it's shitty, whatever.

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Mafia / Re: Supernatural Mafia 6 - Day 1 Wakes the Sleepers
« on: October 28, 2013, 09:11:01 pm »
Oh right, if you expect anything better from me you would be good and extend.

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Mafia / Re: Supernatural Mafia 6 - Day 1 Wakes the Sleepers
« on: October 28, 2013, 09:08:56 pm »
@Toaster
Quote from: Toaster on October 28, 2013, 03:27:35 pm
Toony:
Quote from: ToonyMan on October 25, 2013, 06:42:07 am
Also I'm voting Imp for voting a player who doesn't exist, you should know better.
Since when is derping out a valid reason to vote someone?
When it's my first post of the game and I prefer not asking RVS questions.  I don't feel particularly keen on moving it right now, maybe Tiruin for being defensive (that vote on Caz was pretty bad) or Nerjin for going for easy targets (first Imp with me, now Max White with somebody).  Max White and NQT seems like too much of a gamble since either or both is/are likely town I feel.


@Tiruin:
Quote from: Tiruin on October 28, 2013, 03:58:22 pm
Quote from: ToonyMan on October 28, 2013, 02:53:44 pm
NQT and Max White are being kind of dicks at each other, and judging by NQT and Dariush acting against each other in WC3 one of them is most likely town at least.  I doubt both are scum of some sort.
...Wouldn't this be classified too much as a metatell? They could be good dicks bussing too early to separate each other. Though I'm not sure how one could be a dick when the other is busy calling everyone to look at who is tattling on who.
I would be impressed if that were true.  I don't believe it.

Quote from: Tiruin on October 28, 2013, 03:58:22 pm
Quote from: ToonyMan on October 28, 2013, 02:53:44 pm
@Imp:
Quote from: Imp on October 28, 2013, 08:33:31 am
Quote from: ToonyMan on October 27, 2013, 12:00:23 pm
I think Imp is too good a player to make that error
What are you basing this belief upon?
If you lack the self-esteem to see yourself as a skilled player I should say by my impressions you seem pretty competent or at least proactive.
...Really? I think its a bit too early to make the reference on 'too good to do [this] error' here. Imp is technically fairly new to Bay12 forum mafia..
I could say the same for myself as I don't see myself as skilled at all given...my whole history on this board.
True enough, I can't recall seeing a player mistake a typical game for a bastard but it's probably happened.  Although Imp is voting me now for some reason...?


@Cmega3:
Quote from: Cmega3 on October 28, 2013, 05:15:54 pm
Quote from: ToonyMan on October 28, 2013, 02:53:44 pm
@Cmega3:
Quote from: Cmega3 on October 28, 2013, 07:50:13 am
Max white, could you please calm down a bit?
You are acting rather weird.
This is a bandwagon vote.
The fact that someone voted for him before did not affect my opinion. I knew there had been a vote, but I didn't pay much attention to it.
Oh pish-posh.  I've used that excuse before, but it doesn't change your lackluster post there.  You explained your reasoning now though so it's better.

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Mafia / Re: Mafia Theory
« on: October 28, 2013, 05:31:31 pm »
If a mafia member clearly states who they suspect then if they die and flip, people can go back and see who a confirmed mafia player suspected, which could be good or bad news depending on how crafty they are.

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Mafia / Re: Supernatural Mafia 6 - Day 1 Wakes the Sleepers
« on: October 28, 2013, 02:53:44 pm »
Had my post mostly done but had to leave for classes.

@Tiruin:
Quote from: Tiruin on October 27, 2013, 12:31:10 pm
ToonyMan
Quote from: ToonyMan on October 27, 2013, 12:00:23 pm
@Tiruin:
Quote from: Tiruin on October 27, 2013, 03:41:16 am
ToonyMan
Quote from: ToonyMan on October 25, 2013, 06:42:07 am
Also I'm voting Imp for voting a player who doesn't exist, you should know better.
...And this signifies her being or having the characteristic of scum because...?
It's misleading, any form of distraction from the truth can be read as a scumtell and I think Imp is too good a player to make that error.
You mean voting Webadict, seemingly missing the context in which she voted Webadict for, but in general who isn't actually playing?
I think you missed her reason there.
You don't vote players who aren't playing, frankly it doesn't really matter what the context of their reasoning was.

Quote from: Tiruin on October 28, 2013, 10:09:24 am
ToonyMan: Where are you~? What have you been doing? Why do you only have a few posts~?
Hi.


@Cmega3:
Quote from: Cmega3 on October 28, 2013, 07:50:13 am
Max white, could you please calm down a bit?
You are acting rather weird.
This is a bandwagon vote.


@Imp:
Quote from: Imp on October 28, 2013, 08:33:31 am
Quote from: ToonyMan on October 27, 2013, 12:00:23 pm
I think Imp is too good a player to make that error
What are you basing this belief upon?
If you lack the self-esteem to see yourself as a skilled player I should say by my impressions you seem pretty competent or at least proactive.

Quote from: Imp on October 28, 2013, 08:33:31 am
Quote from: ToonyMan on October 27, 2013, 12:00:23 pm
@Max White:
Quote from: Max White on October 26, 2013, 08:40:44 pm
Toony
Putting your education before internet games, for shame!
Will you have a chance to really be active any time soon? I have no read on you what so ever, and that annoys me.
Unfortunately, probably not until Friday or this weekend.  Ideally, I won't die by then so it should work out.
BS.  I think you're too good a player to try to pull that one.  What do you mean by 'working out' if you don't die within a week's time - Exactly 'what' is going to 'work out' 'how'?  That's an entire two weeks of play you'd have mostly not been here for, with at least one player saying "I have no read on you what so ever".
You haven't offered much to go on, but I think I have a read on you.
It should be less than a week, Friday is in only four days after all.  I have two school exams I really don't want to do poorly in on Wednesday and Thursday so I've only really had time to make one mafia post a day usually.

A lack of a read is not a scumtell or a towntell.  You can say they're lurking I guess.


NQT and Max White are being kind of dicks at each other, and judging by NQT and Dariush acting against each other in WC3 one of them is most likely town at least.  I doubt both are scum of some sort.

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Mafia / Re: Supernatural Mafia 6 - Day 1 Wakes the Sleepers
« on: October 27, 2013, 12:00:23 pm »
@Imp:
Quote from: Imp on October 26, 2013, 05:19:03 am
Toonyman:
If you asked someone a question and they didn't answer it, what would your next step be?
Ask them why that is or maybe vote them over it even.

Quote from: Imp on October 26, 2013, 05:19:03 am
What if they answered a different, though similar question, but not what you asked, and their answer didn't include the information that prompted you to ask?
By "information that I asked" do you mean the answer I was looking for?  I would try to avoid single-minding yourself like that, but if their answer seemed unclear then yeah, I'm going to ask for clarity.

Quote from: Imp on October 26, 2013, 05:19:03 am
On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you like feeling challenged?  Feeling successful?  Feeling useful?  Feeling clever?
Okay uh, 8/10 for all of those.  I've never been particularly good at being a genius.


@Caz:
Quote from: Caz on October 26, 2013, 09:29:00 am
ToonyMan
Quote from: ToonyMan on October 25, 2013, 10:05:25 pm
No, a town player's life is worth less than a mafia player's life in terms of value to each side.  Sacrifice a knight for a rook, not the other way around.
So you're saying that townies are more likely to attempt tunneling?
It's less of a sacrifice to do so, but I don't think it's a very good idea unless you know what you're doing.


@Max White:
Quote from: Max White on October 26, 2013, 08:40:44 pm
Toony
Putting your education before internet games, for shame!
Will you have a chance to really be active any time soon? I have no read on you what so ever, and that annoys me.
Unfortunately, probably not until Friday or this weekend.  Ideally, I won't die by then so it should work out.

I think another factor is I uh, don't really know half of the players here, which makes it more difficult to see odd behavior since that's all you can really go on Day 1.


@Tiruin:
Quote from: Tiruin on October 27, 2013, 03:41:16 am
ToonyMan
Quote from: ToonyMan on October 25, 2013, 06:42:07 am
Also I'm voting Imp for voting a player who doesn't exist, you should know better.
...And this signifies her being or having the characteristic of scum because...?
It's misleading, any form of distraction from the truth can be read as a scumtell and I think Imp is too good a player to make that error.


@NQT:
Quote from: notquitethere on October 27, 2013, 09:45:58 am
Toony
Quote from: notquitethere on October 25, 2013, 06:49:48 am
Another question: do you think Imp's actions look more like a scum avoid-antagonising-people strategy or an earnest misunderstanding (or something else)?
They should know better.

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Mafia / Re: Mafia Theory
« on: October 26, 2013, 01:58:21 pm »
Oh right I wanted to say this:

NQT made this post during WC3 and while the ultimate conclusion was wrong it was mostly accurate.  Lenglon and myself were most certainly town, and Hapah was the last witch which was one of the people NQT put under the "scum" list.  So while it wasn't a correct analysis it read who was town with 100% accuracy.

And what was the leading factor that made a player town you ask?  Why, simply suspecting many people!
Quote from: notquitethere on September 25, 2013, 06:52:54 pm
Having a wide-spread of targets is a pro-town sign (as you genuinely suspect everyone), and NQT, Leafsnail, Toonyman and Vector all have 5+ attack targets (Leafsnail had 10, I've voted or FOS'd everyone, Toony and Vector have 5). Deathsword and IronyOwl have 4. Birdy, Solifuge, Hapah, Tiruin, Dariush and Toaster all had 3 or less targets. Birdy/Ottofar, strikingly, has only voted for me once and no one else.
Not sure where Lenglon went on this list, but Dariush, Toaster, and Hapah were the scum and look where they are on the list.  The only actual town player who had less than four suspects was Birdy.

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Mafia / Re: Supernatural Mafia 6 - Day 1 Wakes the Sleepers
« on: October 25, 2013, 10:05:25 pm »
Quote from: Caz on October 25, 2013, 09:34:09 am
ToonyMan
Quote from: ToonyMan on October 25, 2013, 06:42:07 am
Quote from: notquitethere on October 24, 2013, 06:06:45 pm
ToonyMan— Is tunnelling ever a legitimate town-strategy?
No not usually.  If you're right it's okay.
Do you think that it's a viable scum strategy to remove a town player, even if it results in your own death? Why/why not?
No, a town player's life is worth less than a mafia player's life in terms of value to each side.  Sacrifice a knight for a rook, not the other way around.

Quote from: kleril on October 25, 2013, 10:18:55 am
@ToonyMan:
What do you think is the best way to provoke a lengthy, useful response from another player?
I'd prefer concise responses without appearing like you're hiding something.  If you appear like you're hiding something or blather on about nonsense then I'd rather see you hang.

Quote from: Cmega3 on October 25, 2013, 05:13:04 pm
@All - If you had to choose between scum & town, which one would you? Why?
What do you expect from this really?  I think I've lost every time I was scum in Supernatural so I'd rather be town I guess.

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Mafia / Re: Supernatural Mafia 6 - Day 1 Wakes the Sleepers
« on: October 25, 2013, 06:42:07 am »
PFP
I have classes all day and two exams next week aaah

Quote from: Nerjin on October 24, 2013, 05:19:58 pm
EVERYONE: What role would you most like to have and why?
The role that let's me win without having to do anything.

Quote from: notquitethere on October 24, 2013, 06:06:45 pm
ToonyMan— Is tunnelling ever a legitimate town-strategy?
No not usually.  If you're right it's okay.

Quote from: Max White on October 24, 2013, 07:52:47 pm
Vampires have a history of being over somewhat over powered, so I guess that would be easy mode. Apart from that I only know one third party, and that was Toony the Devil. That looks like a somewhat tricky role now that one of them has won and people are unlikely to ever take a deal again.
That was Leafsnail the Devil.

Quote from: Imp on October 25, 2013, 03:23:21 am
Toonyman:  Welcome in late to the party!  If your role gave you a one shot daykill which had to be used on D1 or not at all, who's your pick and why?
Jim, he's scary.

Also I'm voting Imp for voting a player who doesn't exist, you should know better.

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Mafia / Re: Mafia Theory
« on: October 24, 2013, 02:32:14 pm »
Yeah, miller claims are towntells.  They don't guarantee a town player, but I always take it as a strong town read.

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General Discussion / Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« on: October 24, 2013, 12:37:13 pm »
Quote from: shadenight123 on October 24, 2013, 12:32:17 pm
Anime of Grisaia is confirmed BTW.
Don't know which route it will follow.
Hmmm I'm not sure the anime would be as good if it doesn't have all the analogies and anecdotes and flashes of insight the game has.

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General Discussion / Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« on: October 24, 2013, 12:28:05 pm »
Haha Guilty Crown and Sword Art Online...it's funny because I dropped both of those.

Code Geass is older than a few years.


In other news I finished Sachi's route in Grisaia a couple weeks ago and I'm on Day 2 of Angelic Howl in Amane's route.

Sachi's route wasn't awful I guess, but "boring" comes to mind.  Better than Michiru's probably.

Anyway Angelic Howl is really good.  It wouldn't be fun to spoil the setting, however the setting isn't the best anyway.  But the writing is really good.  Like it just feels like a lot of depth and effort was put into it and
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
is pretty interesting.
We already sort of know the outcome, but generally life and death struggles are fun to see unfold/develop in the first place.

EDIT:
In short, if I find myself reading a VN for over two hours in a row and still want to read more (and it feels like zero time has passed) then they're doing a good job.

EDITX2:
I don't know how to express it, but Makina and Amane'a routes are fantastic and Yumiko's is pretty good.  I think I like Grisaia no Kajitsu.

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Mafia / Re: Witches' Coven: In the Heart of Darkness [GAME OVER: 4/13]
« on: October 23, 2013, 05:03:48 pm »
You wanted it to end with 4/13 didn't you LNCP.  Didn't you.

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