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Mafia / Re: Witches' Coven: In the Heart of Darkness [D4: 7/13]
« on: September 28, 2013, 01:19:01 pm »
You're really good at making unconvincing bandwagons, Lenglon.
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Mafia / Re: Witches' Coven: In the Heart of Darkness [D4: 7/13]
« on: September 28, 2013, 01:09:23 pm »
I went back to check my facts too and got this:
My picks for witches
Toaster - I found as extremely odd behavior Day 2
Vector/Shakerag (Dariush actively dismissed the possibility of Vector being the DS)
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Mafia / Re: Witches' Coven: In the Heart of Darkness [D4: 7/13]
« on: September 28, 2013, 01:01:19 pm »Toony: Can you state the big points on IO? You two have been going back and forth for a bit but it seems like it's mostly tit-for-tat stuff and nothing relevant recently.It was largely how they acted after Day 3 started. I never really brought up new points this whole day besides IronyOwl persistently questioning me and likely both of us becoming very confused.
Seeing how the post IO made just know makes /zero/ hints at being the last witch even though it's their "post before they get lynched" it seems very genuine. I almost want to lynch Shakerag just because them being the Witch Mother lines up so well and their play has been really poor today, but we only have like what, one hour left and no extensions allowed?
Screw it. I'm voting Shakerag too for doing nothing, having children, and because I can't find any more evidence today that IO would be the last witch anyway.
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Mafia / Re: Witches' Coven: In the Heart of Darkness [D4: 7/13]
« on: September 27, 2013, 05:38:26 pm »
@NQT:
What a sexy post you have here. I do like my analytic posts.
I don't suspect Birdy as much, but I might as well keep an eye on them and Hapah.
Most Scum
IronyOwl
Zombie Urist (yes I am counting him)
Shakerag
Hapah
Birdy51
Lenglon
NQT
Least Scum
@IronyOwl:
I didn't dodge your questions either!! You completely missed them!
I should have extended I guess. I'm still sort of really convinced you're the last witch and school is killing me though so my apologies.
@Birdy51:
What a sexy post you have here. I do like my analytic posts.
All, especially Toony and Lenglon: Look, there's a lot of info here. Most of it is hard data and you might be able to draw other conclusions. I want to know what you think.Well, I definitely think IO is a witch, and that ZU is the Death Shaman. I believe that IO is trying to tough it out and get a lynch on me, which I would have to applaud really since they didn't give in like Toaster.
I don't suspect Birdy as much, but I might as well keep an eye on them and Hapah.
Everyone, there are only six other players now-- please rank them in order of suspicion. It'll only take a moment. This information will be really useful for my next set of investigations.Hmmm,
Most Scum
IronyOwl
Zombie Urist (yes I am counting him)
Shakerag
Hapah
Birdy51
Lenglon
NQT
Least Scum
Toonyman, something's been bothering me. Why did you go along with Dariush in your private chat? Why didn't you get him lynched straight away, given your purported wincon?I think I've answered this (to Leafsnail probably). I wanted to drag out as much information as possible. If I had immediately crossed him at the start of D2 I would have never had a look at Toaster or anybody in the same way. It was pretty bold since I could die at any time, but with the witches claiming they want me alive (which I might as well believe) and claiming they don't have a kill (which I won't fully believe) I felt it was worth it. If Leafsnail didn't press me at the start of D3 I would have probably stayed quiet.
@IronyOwl:
A connection with Toaster --> a connection with Dariush.Voting me isn't the same as connecting me with Dariush. You've got absolutely no case on me except an OMGUS.I am voting you.Then why aren't you?I got Toaster in association with Dariush. I can do the same with you.Against Toaster, yeah. What does your case against Toaster have to do with me?A summary of my case is at the bottom here.And I was completely right about Toaster (in an inverse way, but still completely right). I also made my own opinions before Dariush said anything, read the log I posted. Who do I still think is a witch? There is only one left and it has to be either you (or Lenglon if it somehow isn't you). And no, unfortunately I don't have concrete proof who the last witch is, but that would make it too easy anyway.Do you have any proof? Near as I can tell your case on me is "Fuck you." I don't recall your case on Lenglon at all.
If it somehow isn't you then it must be Lenglon (or Shakerag now that I think about it), but it's not a possibility I can see ever unless you're dead and flip not-witch mother.
I know, it's one of the few facts that's doesn't make me want to vote you (since the last witch would be Witch Mother). Did you ever get any proof that you aren't lying? Like a report from NQT? That would help if I missed it.Child bearers? I'm a maiden, bro.Because if you aren't the last witch then possible deductions would be child bearers Lenglon and Shakerag. And I was only guessing that it isn't lylo, but it most likely isn't. Lenglon was also protecting Toaster or something, but I find it less of a tell than Leafsnail because they acted the same with NQT's/Ottofar's/Everybody's lynch way back when.Why?And I thought you had good reason to believe Lenglon was town? What makes her more suspect than birdy, who you have similar assurances about, or Hapah, who you don't even have that much on?If you somehow aren't the witch then yeah, it's probably Lenglon. But this isn't lylo.
Wait. I just realized that could be why you don't have kids- to fit into the maiden category for some reason, or maybe not cleanly fit into any of them. Hrm.The Witch Maiden was Dariush.
I was voting Toaster Day 2 as well because I already knew Dariush was scum at that point and was actually hunting for his partners, it's like I was a spy on enemy lines or something.No no, you vote me over a dumb reason (and nobody else is convinced), but also I can pin-point when you started "attacking" me. That would be D3 when I started voting Toaster. Toaster was a witch.Alright then, let me take a look at that.
I don't see this as a coincidence.
...
That's stupid. You first voted Toaster- actually, you were voting Toaster since D2. You revoted him your first post of D3- after, I am amused to add, Lenglon did. Not so hipster after all, it seems.
I didn't vote you until several posts and a lot of discussion later, when you dodged my question. Admittedly not nearly as much of it as I'd thought, but some of it nonetheless.
I didn't dodge your questions either!! You completely missed them!
I am not admitting to performing an OMGUS because that's bullshit! If anybody is OMGUSing it's you. OMGUS.You first. You've got nothing to say to a charge of OMGUS but "yeah sure."Cut the bullshit.Yeah you did. You said so right above there.Did you just admit to OMGUSing me?No.
Sun day or mafia day? What's that mean, Sunday?We lynch you. You flip witch, either the game ends (or at least the town wins) or the game doesn't end and we solve the last puzzle.Sun day or mafia day?
You don't flip witch, we find the last witch. I have supicions it must be either Lenglon or Shakerag, which are both valid choices but we'll need more detail. I don't have time to interrogate them today (another school exam in less than an hour).
You should probably extend if it's the latter.
I should have extended I guess. I'm still sort of really convinced you're the last witch and school is killing me though so my apologies.
I can only remember asking for other people's opinions about an argument I'm having with somebody when I'm mafia.Something funny? What do you think of NQT's and Lenglon's cases on me, by the way? They're on the right target, but is it for the right reasons?While I'm at it, what do you think of my current exchange with Toony?Ahaha
@Birdy51:
Now, Toonyman. I am inclined to believe that Irony Owl is raising a valid point in the fact that your behavior is odd. You know something that supposedly makes me and Lenglon Town, but you cannot say why. How did you come across this information? Was it by your own means, or did someone else give it to you?It was by my own means. More specifically it was because of something you and Lenglon said which I am not going to point out.
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Mafia / Re: Witches' Coven: In the Heart of Darkness [D4: 7/13]
« on: September 27, 2013, 04:31:00 pm »
Hey it's Friday I have time for a post. This is a pre-post so I don't get prodded or something.
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Mafia / Re: Witches' Coven: In the Heart of Darkness [D4: 7/13]
« on: September 25, 2013, 09:03:38 am »Here is where things get sneaky. The assumption is made that the Death Shaman killed Leafsnail. Rotting plants seem to be his MO. Not taking body parts. Likewise, it's never been assumed that Witch's feel the urge to take body parts. I theorize that for whatever reason, Solifuge/Okami may have been the one to take Tiruin's eye. Why I do not know…Well if the Dark Child is dead it's hard to see that being relevant anymore.
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Mafia / Re: Witches' Coven: In the Heart of Darkness [D4: 7/13]
« on: September 25, 2013, 09:00:18 am »ToonyMan:None at all.You know as well as I do. (I'm only human!)"I dun goofed" would explain a lot of your actions, actually.
How hard do you think you're goofing right now?
I am voting you.Then why aren't you?I got Toaster in association with Dariush. I can do the same with you.Against Toaster, yeah. What does your case against Toaster have to do with me?A summary of my case is at the bottom here.And I was completely right about Toaster (in an inverse way, but still completely right). I also made my own opinions before Dariush said anything, read the log I posted. Who do I still think is a witch? There is only one left and it has to be either you (or Lenglon if it somehow isn't you). And no, unfortunately I don't have concrete proof who the last witch is, but that would make it too easy anyway.Do you have any proof? Near as I can tell your case on me is "Fuck you." I don't recall your case on Lenglon at all.
If it somehow isn't you then it must be Lenglon (or Shakerag now that I think about it), but it's not a possibility I can see ever unless you're dead and flip not-witch mother.
Because if you aren't the last witch then possible deductions would be child bearers Lenglon and Shakerag. And I was only guessing that it isn't lylo, but it most likely isn't. Lenglon was also protecting Toaster or something, but I find it less of a tell than Leafsnail because they acted the same with NQT's/Ottofar's/Everybody's lynch way back when.Why?And I thought you had good reason to believe Lenglon was town? What makes her more suspect than birdy, who you have similar assurances about, or Hapah, who you don't even have that much on?If you somehow aren't the witch then yeah, it's probably Lenglon. But this isn't lylo.
No no, you vote me over a dumb reason (and nobody else is convinced), but also I can pin-point when you started "attacking" me. That would be D3 when I started voting Toaster. Toaster was a witch.Then what did you mean?I don't know how you got that but sure.So... my reason is stupid but valid, and you're calling me a witch over it because you don't have to stand for that?Okay. How is letting you vote me over a stupid reason (which I can't stop you from doing) the same as locating exactly where you get so hostile on my ass?Yes, that's a plausible explanation. But given how much importance LNCP places on flavor, doesn't it seem more likely that it wouldn't be a red herring, and that those are genuine clues about your true nature?Which is why I said voting me over it is perfectly fine. I have no counter-argument. I'm not going to lie.These two seem rather at odds with each other, in addition to being an angry dodge in the latter case.That's twice now you're talking about what other people think rather than why other people should think that.Okay? You're a dumb witch that can't figure a good reason to vote me but has been trying to for the last two days (and funny enough after I gave my spiel and voted Toaster yesterday, HMMMMMM).
I don't see this as a coincidence.
Cut the bullshit.Yeah you did. You said so right above there.Did you just admit to OMGUSing me?No.
We lynch you. You flip witch, either the game ends (or at least the town wins) or the game doesn't end and we solve the last puzzle.Cool. Now what?Sounds good.As for whether I think ZU is the Death Shaman... that's tricky. Everyone assumed it was him because he didn't flip, but not flipping isn't necessarily a DS thing. That explanation made more sense when we hadn't seen any other flips, because then it could be that non-town flips were obtuse. Turns out they aren't; every other town, scum, and third-party flip so far has supplied its name.Do you not think ZU is the Death Shaman at this point? Who would they be?-The gruesome killings did not begin until after ZU's death. This, while not bulletproof, is fairly compelling evidence that ZU is our Death Shaman.They also didn't happen immediately after ZU's death, though. You could almost as convincingly argue Toaster's death triggered them somehow.
Well, there's you. Shakerag is an option if the out-of-town thing holds, which I'm still dubious on (and ZU might hold fine as well). Gut says he's the last witch, though. Might explain Lenglon's Let's Do What Toaster Says And Kill Me plan, though I don't especially think so. Basically anyone, though you and ZU are the only real good options.
So his lack of flip is uniquely due to his role. That might make sense for the DS, to protect him from being outed and rezzed when he did exactly what he needed to do. But it's definitely not a guarantee just because he's not acting like a standard town flip.
Other than that, and more recently, we've got the kills. I like the notion of the DS only being able to kill while dead, and supposedly the timing fits, but again, it's an assumption.
So I guess the short answer is that it seems likely, but I start to get nervous when people talk about it being 100% confirmed.
You don't flip witch, we find the last witch. I have supicions it must be either Lenglon or Shakerag, which are both valid choices but we'll need more detail. I don't have time to interrogate them today (another school exam in less than an hour).
While I'm at it, what do you think of my current exchange with Toony?Ahaha
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Mafia / Re: Witches' Coven: In the Heart of Darkness [D4: 7/13]
« on: September 24, 2013, 12:00:04 pm »
Kind of busy my first exams are this week.
@IronyOwl:
@Lenglon:
Your latest post is pretty hostile. Why do you think witches only have a one-shot kill? Why do you think the DS is going to kill every night?
@IronyOwl:
Toony:You know as well as I do. (I'm only human!)@IronyOwl:Then why'd you say that instead of this?-Toaster asks who you think killed Tiruin and ZU.Alright, following the logic train I create would turn into a wreck so let's correct this:
-You say "if anybody" killed Tiruin it was probably the witches. You're less sure about ZU, but suspect maybe they suicided.
-I ask you why somebody else killing Tiruin isn't valid, even though ZU killing himself might be.
-You say witches don't have a kill, but they do have a motive so they're the most likely anyway. You reiterate that the DS might have done something, but couldn't have killed both himself and Tiruin, hence it must have been witches again. You say you don't know of any other parties that would do that.
So, to recap:
-Somebody killed Tiruin
-Witches probably don't have a kill
-Witches probably killed Tiruin
-Third parties couldn't have killed Tiruin or ZU
-ZU might have killed himself, but not Tiruin
This seem right so far?
-Somebody killed Tiruin
-Witches probably killed Tiruin but not necessarily
-Third parties could have killed Tiruin or ZU
-ZU might have killed himself, but not Tiruin
-Tiruin has no reason to kill themselves
If the witches didn't kill Tiruin, somebody else did. If somebody else didn't kill Tiruin, the witches did.
I got Toaster in association with Dariush. I can do the same with you.Against Toaster, yeah. What does your case against Toaster have to do with me?A summary of my case is at the bottom here.And I was completely right about Toaster (in an inverse way, but still completely right). I also made my own opinions before Dariush said anything, read the log I posted. Who do I still think is a witch? There is only one left and it has to be either you (or Lenglon if it somehow isn't you). And no, unfortunately I don't have concrete proof who the last witch is, but that would make it too easy anyway.Do you have any proof? Near as I can tell your case on me is "Fuck you." I don't recall your case on Lenglon at all.
If it somehow isn't you then it must be Lenglon (or Shakerag now that I think about it), but it's not a possibility I can see ever unless you're dead and flip not-witch mother.
And I thought you had good reason to believe Lenglon was town? What makes her more suspect than birdy, who you have similar assurances about, or Hapah, who you don't even have that much on?If you somehow aren't the witch then yeah, it's probably Lenglon. But this isn't lylo.
I don't know how you got that but sure.So... my reason is stupid but valid, and you're calling me a witch over it because you don't have to stand for that?Okay. How is letting you vote me over a stupid reason (which I can't stop you from doing) the same as locating exactly where you get so hostile on my ass?Yes, that's a plausible explanation. But given how much importance LNCP places on flavor, doesn't it seem more likely that it wouldn't be a red herring, and that those are genuine clues about your true nature?Which is why I said voting me over it is perfectly fine. I have no counter-argument. I'm not going to lie.These two seem rather at odds with each other, in addition to being an angry dodge in the latter case.That's twice now you're talking about what other people think rather than why other people should think that.Okay? You're a dumb witch that can't figure a good reason to vote me but has been trying to for the last two days (and funny enough after I gave my spiel and voted Toaster yesterday, HMMMMMM).
Did you just admit to OMGUSing me?No.
You mean appealing to authority on Mr. Dead Leafsnail? If you won't see that I can make my own reasoning before Leafsnail (which I've already proved) then you'll just have to take my word for it.I get that you're claiming hipster rights on voting Toaster. I don't get what that has to do with the original quote up there.It means that while I agree with Leafsnail, I got first dibs and he came as like, a shock wave from my explosion. Capisce?Eh? What does voting Toaster have to do with agreeing with Leafsnail while voting me?Nope. I was suspicious of Toaster and voted him before Leafsnail even had an inkling of a clue. In fact, his vote on me was what gave me the excuse to say what I had planning. Don't get mad that your partner died and Dariush made a dumb move.IronyOwl, besides being my obvious choice carrying over from yesterday, Leafsnail gets murdered by a plant thing and flips town (I think that's town?) so my doubts I had with agreeing with him are pretty much cleared.I think so, and what is this, appeal to authority from a confirmed townie who listed a brief, unexplained "yeah that might make sense?"
Sounds good.As for whether I think ZU is the Death Shaman... that's tricky. Everyone assumed it was him because he didn't flip, but not flipping isn't necessarily a DS thing. That explanation made more sense when we hadn't seen any other flips, because then it could be that non-town flips were obtuse. Turns out they aren't; every other town, scum, and third-party flip so far has supplied its name.Do you not think ZU is the Death Shaman at this point? Who would they be?-The gruesome killings did not begin until after ZU's death. This, while not bulletproof, is fairly compelling evidence that ZU is our Death Shaman.They also didn't happen immediately after ZU's death, though. You could almost as convincingly argue Toaster's death triggered them somehow.
Well, there's you. Shakerag is an option if the out-of-town thing holds, which I'm still dubious on (and ZU might hold fine as well). Gut says he's the last witch, though. Might explain Lenglon's Let's Do What Toaster Says And Kill Me plan, though I don't especially think so. Basically anyone, though you and ZU are the only real good options.
So his lack of flip is uniquely due to his role. That might make sense for the DS, to protect him from being outed and rezzed when he did exactly what he needed to do. But it's definitely not a guarantee just because he's not acting like a standard town flip.
Other than that, and more recently, we've got the kills. I like the notion of the DS only being able to kill while dead, and supposedly the timing fits, but again, it's an assumption.
So I guess the short answer is that it seems likely, but I start to get nervous when people talk about it being 100% confirmed.
@Lenglon:
Your latest post is pretty hostile. Why do you think witches only have a one-shot kill? Why do you think the DS is going to kill every night?
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General Discussion / Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« on: September 23, 2013, 02:56:03 pm »On the topic of AoT does anyone know if it's true that the next will be the last of the season?Yes.
(it will probably get another season, just guessing)
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Mafia / Re: Witches' Coven: In the Heart of Darkness [D4: 7/13]
« on: September 23, 2013, 02:55:14 pm »
PFP
So Lenglon had kids, but they died to plague. And Shakerag has two kids.
So Lenglon had kids, but they died to plague. And Shakerag has two kids.
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Mafia / Re: Witches' Coven: In the Heart of Darkness [D4: 7/13]
« on: September 22, 2013, 03:13:01 pm »Hrm, you might be just a bit too young for why I thought you "knew" those two were Town, then. I still think I know why you've got no kid, though.Very interesting. Also, I married three years ago and was betrothed fourteen years ago.
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Mafia / Re: Witches' Coven: In the Heart of Darkness [D4: 7/13]
« on: September 22, 2013, 01:48:07 pm »
LNCP says I'm 29 years old. I'll have to PM for the exact age when I wedded.
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Mafia / Re: Witches' Coven: In the Heart of Darkness [D3: 10/13]
« on: September 22, 2013, 10:57:25 am »
Extend. I was wondering why the extension was so short until I realized Jim was just gracing us with his marvellousness.
@Birdy:
@Hapah:
@IronyOwl:
-Somebody killed Tiruin
-Witches probably killed Tiruin but not necessarily
-Third parties could have killed Tiruin or ZU
-ZU might have killed himself, but not Tiruin
-Tiruin has no reason to kill themselves
If the witches didn't kill Tiruin, somebody else did. If somebody else didn't kill Tiruin, the witches did.
If it somehow isn't you then it must be Lenglon (or Shakerag now that I think about it), but it's not a possibility I can see ever unless you're dead and flip not-witch mother.
@Birdy:
ToonyMan:Hehehe, I have reason to believe your claims and take no benefit from doubting them. I'm pretty sure both of you are town but I probably shouldn't say why unless I was like, on the lynch rope.Lenglon and Birdy are probably town, I just got an intuition buzz for some reason.This is a bit of an old quote, but I finally noticed it and now I am curious. What made you assume that both me and Lenglon are Town?
@Hapah:
-The gruesome killings did not begin until after ZU's death. This, while not bulletproof, is fairly compelling evidence that ZU is our Death Shaman.Exactly! Come on, last witch, or anybody with a res. Please resurrect Zombie Urist.
-I believe both Shamans were recent (likely very recent) arrivals. Otherwise, this town would've been screwed if one of them was here for months or years beforehand.This sounds good.
-A great many of our listed professions aren't something you could pull out of hat: carpenters, stonemasons, these lines of work need tools, materials, and (most importantly) property. I don't think anyone's ever seen a stonemason working on a streetcorner, yeah?
-(The initial flavor-claim compilation post is here, for those of you following along).
-Therefore, anyone that has property is likely not the Shaman. It's also worth noting that the one person who directly claimed outsider (Tiruin) turned out the be the Life Shaman. NQT, you're my go-to guy here: what can you add?
-This can likely be extended to anyone whose residence in the town can be verified to date back for some time (i.e. the Count probably isn't the Shaman, and he may be able to vouch for those living in the castle/keep/whatever).I can't vouch for Shakerag.
-This doesn't help find Witches, but they're not my concern at the moment.And why is that? I guess ZU is a threat right now.
@IronyOwl:
ToonyMan:Alright, following the logic train I create would turn into a wreck so let's correct this:@IronyOwl:Let's start from the top, then:Uh, this is referring to who I thought killed Tiruin, correct? I said if it would be anybody, the witches would make the most sense or something. Dariush said they don't have a kill, but I have to place doubt on that. Especially with tonight's events with two deaths. I feel like I detailed my logic to this weeks ago.Your "who killed who" last night logic is dumb, remember how far ZU got by picking at my fucking grammar, nowhere. More likely than not, my brain-damaged logic has erred in some way. Stay calm and carry on.However, now that I know you're not completely dodging, stop dodging. What was your thought process at the time, and why did it result in you saying what you said?Where do I say that? I'm more confident the witches don't have a kill. But the witches would want to see Tiruin dead so I listed it as the firmest possibility (though I admit the Death Shaman doing something as well is easily in the scope of things but the fact Tiruin went down last night too makes me think Zombie Urist killing himself and killing Tiruin as a bit OP, hence the witch claimed kill). I don't know any other roles that would exist beyond witches, life shaman, death shaman, and townies (possibly vigs but why would a town vig kill Tiruin?)Why so certain nobody but the witches have a kill, even though you say ZU might have killed himself?Also, if the witches have no NK, who killed Tiruin and ZU?I can't say I entirely trust their word. So if anybody killed Tiruin it was the witches. Don't know about ZU, might be some weird ability they have being the Death Shaman and all. Either way somebody needs to revive them, unfortunately I don't have such capabilities.
-Toaster asks who you think killed Tiruin and ZU.
-You say "if anybody" killed Tiruin it was probably the witches. You're less sure about ZU, but suspect maybe they suicided.
-I ask you why somebody else killing Tiruin isn't valid, even though ZU killing himself might be.
-You say witches don't have a kill, but they do have a motive so they're the most likely anyway. You reiterate that the DS might have done something, but couldn't have killed both himself and Tiruin, hence it must have been witches again. You say you don't know of any other parties that would do that.
So, to recap:
-Somebody killed Tiruin
-Witches probably don't have a kill
-Witches probably killed Tiruin
-Third parties couldn't have killed Tiruin or ZU
-ZU might have killed himself, but not Tiruin
This seem right so far?
-Somebody killed Tiruin
-Witches probably killed Tiruin but not necessarily
-Third parties could have killed Tiruin or ZU
-ZU might have killed himself, but not Tiruin
-Tiruin has no reason to kill themselves
If the witches didn't kill Tiruin, somebody else did. If somebody else didn't kill Tiruin, the witches did.
A summary of my case is at the bottom here.And I was completely right about Toaster (in an inverse way, but still completely right). I also made my own opinions before Dariush said anything, read the log I posted. Who do I still think is a witch? There is only one left and it has to be either you (or Lenglon if it somehow isn't you). And no, unfortunately I don't have concrete proof who the last witch is, but that would make it too easy anyway.Do you have any proof? Near as I can tell your case on me is "Fuck you." I don't recall your case on Lenglon at all.
If it somehow isn't you then it must be Lenglon (or Shakerag now that I think about it), but it's not a possibility I can see ever unless you're dead and flip not-witch mother.
Because it's a slush fund! No seriously I probably brought it up because it probably isn't a very good vote reason as in nobody else cares, and NQT shares a common ground since we both think he's town and that makes his opinion less doubtful!Valid isn't the same as correct. Why bring this up if you're not going to do anything with it?Because I think NQT is town and you think NQT is town. If with both agree then his opinion should be completely valid.LNCP probably changed my history to throw suspicion on my character (the same way he "isn't fond of hunting witches"). If you want that as a vote reason than sure, NQT seems fine with it though.NQT was also fine tying the vote to save his scummy hide. Why would I care what he thinks?
Okay. How is letting you vote me over a stupid reason (which I can't stop you from doing) the same as locating exactly where you get so hostile on my ass?Yes, that's a plausible explanation. But given how much importance LNCP places on flavor, doesn't it seem more likely that it wouldn't be a red herring, and that those are genuine clues about your true nature?Which is why I said voting me over it is perfectly fine. I have no counter-argument. I'm not going to lie.These two seem rather at odds with each other, in addition to being an angry dodge in the latter case.That's twice now you're talking about what other people think rather than why other people should think that.Okay? You're a dumb witch that can't figure a good reason to vote me but has been trying to for the last two days (and funny enough after I gave my spiel and voted Toaster yesterday, HMMMMMM).
It means that while I agree with Leafsnail, I got first dibs and he came as like, a shock wave from my explosion. Capisce?Eh? What does voting Toaster have to do with agreeing with Leafsnail while voting me?Nope. I was suspicious of Toaster and voted him before Leafsnail even had an inkling of a clue. In fact, his vote on me was what gave me the excuse to say what I had planning. Don't get mad that your partner died and Dariush made a dumb move.IronyOwl, besides being my obvious choice carrying over from yesterday, Leafsnail gets murdered by a plant thing and flips town (I think that's town?) so my doubts I had with agreeing with him are pretty much cleared.I think so, and what is this, appeal to authority from a confirmed townie who listed a brief, unexplained "yeah that might make sense?"
Do you not think ZU is the Death Shaman at this point? Who would they be?-The gruesome killings did not begin until after ZU's death. This, while not bulletproof, is fairly compelling evidence that ZU is our Death Shaman.They also didn't happen immediately after ZU's death, though. You could almost as convincingly argue Toaster's death triggered them somehow.
Vector would also be a good one, but as I recall her replacement was murdered in the night and showed up town.Vector is Shakerag so they're still alive and well at the moment.
Okami was the Dark Child, wasn't he?Yep, turns out.
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Mafia / Re: Witches' Coven: In the Heart of Darkness [D4: 7/13]
« on: September 21, 2013, 04:15:52 pm »
@Lenglon, Shakerag:
Did you mention having kids? I don't want to look back I'm busy...
Did you mention having kids? I don't want to look back I'm busy...
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Mafia / Re: Witches' Coven: In the Heart of Darkness [D4: 7/13]
« on: September 21, 2013, 04:11:10 pm »
@IronyOwl:
@NQT:
Why did you get a result that I was sheltering Shakerag? It seems Shakerag does work at my castle (which I didn't know), but well, I guess you were trying to "rile me up" and get a possibly incriminating piece of evidence or statement.
LNCP hasn't responded yet to my questions, but he hasn't posted yet either.
Uh, this is referring to who I thought killed Tiruin, correct? I said if it would be anybody, the witches would make the most sense or something. Dariush said they don't have a kill, but I have to place doubt on that. Especially with tonight's events with two deaths. I feel like I detailed my logic to this weeks ago.Your "who killed who" last night logic is dumb, remember how far ZU got by picking at my fucking grammar, nowhere. More likely than not, my brain-damaged logic has erred in some way. Stay calm and carry on.However, now that I know you're not completely dodging, stop dodging. What was your thought process at the time, and why did it result in you saying what you said?
And I was completely right about Toaster (in an inverse way, but still completely right). I also made my own opinions before Dariush said anything, read the log I posted. Who do I still think is a witch? There is only one left and it has to be either you (or Lenglon if it somehow isn't you). And no, unfortunately I don't have concrete proof who the last witch is, but that would make it too easy anyway.Dariush never explicitly dismisses Leafsnail, that was Vector/whoever the fuck now. He picked LS as his #2 Death Shaman.Oh, so your "these people definitely can't be the DS" reasoning was based entirely on the public musings of someone you assumed was a witch? Do you still think they're a witch? You don't even know who they are, so...?
Because I think NQT is town and you think NQT is town. If with both agree then his opinion should be completely valid.LNCP probably changed my history to throw suspicion on my character (the same way he "isn't fond of hunting witches"). If you want that as a vote reason than sure, NQT seems fine with it though.NQT was also fine tying the vote to save his scummy hide. Why would I care what he thinks?
Yes, that's a plausible explanation. But given how much importance LNCP places on flavor, doesn't it seem more likely that it wouldn't be a red herring, and that those are genuine clues about your true nature?Which is why I said voting me over it is perfectly fine. I have no counter-argument. I'm not going to lie.
I don't understand what you are saying.That's why I want to know why you don't think it's the DS and think it's probably the witches but probably not the witches.Arguably the following could also still be relevant even if you're insisting on trying to dodge/disown your prior statements thing entirely as well:It's possible, but entirely unlikely in my opinion. If that's the case then what would this responsibility be, the rift?For that matter, do you think nobody being responsible is a valid possibility?
Nope. I was suspicious of Toaster and voted him before Leafsnail even had an inkling of a clue. In fact, his vote on me was what gave me the excuse to say what I had planning. Don't get mad that your partner died and Dariush made a dumb move.IronyOwl, besides being my obvious choice carrying over from yesterday, Leafsnail gets murdered by a plant thing and flips town (I think that's town?) so my doubts I had with agreeing with him are pretty much cleared.I think so, and what is this, appeal to authority from a confirmed townie who listed a brief, unexplained "yeah that might make sense?"
That's twice now you're talking about what other people think rather than why other people should think that.Okay? You're a dumb witch that can't figure a good reason to vote me but has been trying to for the last two days (and funny enough after I gave my spiel and voted Toaster yesterday, HMMMMMM).
@NQT:
Why did you get a result that I was sheltering Shakerag? It seems Shakerag does work at my castle (which I didn't know), but well, I guess you were trying to "rile me up" and get a possibly incriminating piece of evidence or statement.
LNCP hasn't responded yet to my questions, but he hasn't posted yet either.