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Toonyman

Quote from: lordnincompoop on August 05, 2013, 01:19:30 pm

You can trust that almost anything you dig up applies here, and I've done my best to maintain that the timelines also match up. There are only a couple of details that I've changed, and you're not likely to ever find those.

Quote from: lordnincompoop on August 07, 2013, 06:36:15 pm

The year is 1489.

Your son, Charles de Crussol, was born in 1483— why would you lie about being a father?

No, I changed that; the Viscount has no heirs as of now. I didn't expect you to find that difference, so congratulations - here's your medal.

I don't have any children in this game universe.  Your detective spirit is encouraging though.

Extend because of school tomorrow.

@Leafsnail:

So, if we take two claimed wincons as true:
- Life Shaman: Life Shaman alive, Death Shaman Alive
- Witch: Life Shaman dead, Death Shaman Alive
Now, I'm going to take a guess at the Death Shaman's:
- Death Shaman (speculation): Life Shaman dead, Death Shaman dead
This might mean that what the town wants (although this may not be required to win) is the last remaining possibility - Life Shaman alive, Death Shaman dead.

That sounds good.  Also yeah, I'm pretty sure Tiruin res'd herself.

I am 29.  Which means I am not a crone either.

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@Hapah:

Toony: There's something that's bugging me which I hope you can shed a little light on. The information you've presented seems true, or at least too intricate to be entirely false. What I can't understand in why in the world a witch would ever use the ability you've described, in the manner you've described. Am I reading it correctly in that it revealed that he was definitely a Witch for the possibility of opening a chat? And why would a witch ever use it on the person they think is the Death Shaman, and then claim a wincon that probably runs counter in the same chat? Would you ever use the ability the way you claimed Dar did? Would anyone?

I can't account for Dariush's action, but his reasoning seemed to be that because they are "not hostile to the town" and that there's a magical rift they need to seal that I should cooperate.  I'm not sure why them killing the Life Shaman and keeping the Death Shaman alive would seal this rift, but I agree with Leafsnail in that we should perform the opposite.  Which is why Tiruin needs to stop dying and we need to find the DS (which is probably ZU cough cough).

As he said himself:
"Also, there is no point in us killing you at all - if our wincon were getting rid of townies, I wouldn't have contacted you, would I?"
The fact he contacted me says he believes in this quite a bit for reasons I'm unclear on.

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@Shakerag:

ToonyMan:

Quote from: ToonyMan on August 30, 2013, 10:43:38 pm

bluh bluh stuff about death shaman

Okay, so you got contacted by Dariush because he thought you might be the death shaman, but you think that I may be scum because he actively dismissed the possibility of me being it?  Clearly, he has no clue who the DS is, so why would his thinking I'm not the DS peg me as scum?

Ah, but Dariush does know who the rest of the witches are.  If he claims you aren't the DS then he must have some reason for that, no?

ToonyMan:  Do you have a guess as to who you think may be the death shaman right now?

Zombie Urist.  If it's not ZU then...maybe Leafsnail or Birdy.

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@IronyOwl:

Toony:

Quote from: ToonyMan on August 31, 2013, 12:10:40 pm

Quote from: notquitethere on August 31, 2013, 04:32:17 am

Toonyman— that's quite a dramatic reveal. Why do you think, as Viscount, you're above death-shaman suspicion?

I'm not really, but if it garners me protection from the mafia then I can only see it as a bonus.  And if I were to die in some way I'd still win with the town.

Protection from what? Why do you mention how nice it is to be protected, followed immediately by how you're totally not afraid of dying or anything?

If the mafia keep thinking I'm the Death Shaman they would never want to see me dead and I'm completely okay with that.  If I still end up dying that shouldn't be too awful because I am town and will win with the town.  Your second question is weird because I'm not really sure what you're trying to say, everybody wouldn't mind being warded (unless you wanted to die for some reason) and my fearlessness to die would go along with the bonus of protection.  Basically, I'm being completely cocky and since I'm still alive, then hey, I'm gonna keep going with it since any anti-town factions have had two nights (technically three I guess but I don't think kills are allowed N0) to off me but they're too afraid to or possibly have more important secret agendas or something.

Quote from: ToonyMan on August 31, 2013, 02:55:37 pm

Quote from: Toaster on August 31, 2013, 01:55:26 pm

Also, if the witches have no NK, who killed Tiruin and ZU?

I can't say I entirely trust their word.  So if anybody killed Tiruin it was the witches.  Don't know about ZU, might be some weird ability they have being the Death Shaman and all.  Either way somebody needs to revive them, unfortunately I don't have such capabilities.

Why so certain nobody but the witches have a kill, even though you say ZU might have killed himself?

Where do I say that?  I'm more confident the witches don't have a kill.  But the witches would want to see Tiruin dead so I listed it as the firmest possibility (though I admit the Death Shaman doing something as well is easily in the scope of things but the fact Tiruin went down last night too makes me think Zombie Urist killing himself and killing Tiruin as a bit OP, hence the witch claimed kill).  I don't know any other roles that would exist beyond witches, life shaman, death shaman, and townies (possibly vigs but why would a town vig kill Tiruin?)

Also, Tiruin has absolutely zero reason to suicide unless she's hoodwinking us.

@Leafsnail:

Quote from: ToonyMan on August 30, 2013, 10:43:38 pm

Well, it so happens the Witch Maiden (Dariush) contacted me Night 1 and told me they thought I was their Death Shaman.

Quote from: ToonyMan on August 30, 2013, 10:43:38 pm

In any case, I kept my mouth shut Day 2 because gathering as much info as possible from Dariush would be helpful (we got a little quicktopic to talk with, though he's dead now so nuts to that) to pin-together who the other witches are and what not.  See, the thing is, the witches don't want to see me dead, since even though I'm town they suspect I could be their DS and want to keep me nice and alive and happy.  If they have a convert like you keep insistently mentioning then yeah, I'm probably a witch in your eyes, but that'll only help the town since the mafia are gonna have to gamble their odds on either trying to ignore me or bandwagon me with whoever's left in their posse (unfortunately Dariush never spilled the beans on his partners, of course).

So you're saying you knew Dariush was a witch for the entirety of yesterday?

Yes.

Did Dariush explain why he was so sure you were the Death Shaman?  I'm not convinced he'd reveal himself and information that could incriminate his partners unless he was really sure you were the Death Shaman.  You actually voted against the Tiruin lynch, so it can't have been that which convinced him.

Because my flavor for my character is "not fond of hunting witches" and Tiruin cast a ward on me Day 1.  He also found my defense of NQT as lackluster.

To contact me Dariush had to reveal his role, but my role remained hidden from him in the quicktopic.

Quote from: ToonyMan on August 30, 2013, 10:43:38 pm

Also, the witches wincon is supposedly to keep Tiruin dead and the Death Shaman alive.  They claim to have no night-kill.  Since I lost my contact might as well say everything!  If anybody needs clarification ask.

Shouldn't they have won after Tiruin was lynched then?  I guess they could require the permanent death of Tiruin, but that would imply that either Tiruin is not permadead now or that ZU was the Death Shaman.

Let me clarify:
"Our full wincon is making him (the Death Shaman) 'alive and unable to die' and Tiruin (the Life Shaman) 'dead and unable to resurrect'."

I also don't get why Dariush would have opposed the Tiruin lynch day one, if this was the case.

Good scum play?

Quote from: ToonyMan on August 30, 2013, 10:43:38 pm

Dariush also seems to claim they'd leave peacefully after getting their wincon, but I have to lay suspicion on that.  It would be bizarre for the town and mafia to be able to win together after all.

Considering the town wincon, if the witches left peacefully that would actually be a town loss.

Yeah exactly.

Try checking how old you are with LNCP, that should be common knowledge!

Yeah I'm sending a PM.  I could also probably deduce my age from wikipedia but whatever...

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@Hapah:

Quote from: Toony

Well, it so happens the Witch Maiden (Dariush) contacted me Night 1 and told me they thought I was their Death Shaman.

Did he just up and say that he was a Witch, or did you have to drag it out of him?

He was forced to reveal it to contact me.  I could have declined his contact by the way, but I was wanted to know what he had to say.  If I did decline him I would still know he was a Witch Maiden, but nothing else.

Quote from: Toony

I'm a bit worried that Zombie Urist could be our Death Shaman, because of the lack of role-flip.

It could be. However, it's also worth noting that ZU died peacefully (which is probably magic?) and not in front on the Inquisitor; which could explain it as well. Apparently it's not so easy to tell if someone is a Witch or a Shaman: Looks like the Inquisitor had to root around in their guts to find out!

That sounds right.

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@Toaster:

Toony:

Quote from: ToonyMan on August 31, 2013, 12:10:40 pm

@Toaster:
The reason I highly suspect you is I was also looking for players who were acting oddly cooperative with me (and/or Dariush) Day 2, and you certainly hit the bill for me here in this post.

Okay, I'll bite- how I am being cooperative with either of you there in a suspicious manner (or at all with Dariush)?

Because I knew Dariush was a witch yesterday and you were doing the same thing I was, that is, ignoring the crux of NQT's case against Dariush.  I don't see that at a coincidence.  Also, trying to lynch Tiruin constantly even though you gave up voting them.

Also, if the witches have no NK, who killed Tiruin and ZU?

I can't say I entirely trust their word.  So if anybody killed Tiruin it was the witches.  Don't know about ZU, might be some weird ability they have being the Death Shaman and all.  Either way somebody needs to revive them, unfortunately I don't have such capabilities.

ToonyMan: Why did you ignore Dariush for the entirety of yesterday?

Holy shit I'm finally voted after three entire days.

Well, it so happens the Witch Maiden (Dariush) contacted me Night 1 and told me they thought I was their Death Shaman.

I'm a bit worried that Zombie Urist could be our Death Shaman, because of the lack of role-flip.

In any case, I kept my mouth shut Day 2 because gathering as much info as possible from Dariush would be helpful (we got a little quicktopic to talk with, though he's dead now so nuts to that) to pin-together who the other witches are and what not.  See, the thing is, the witches don't want to see me dead, since even though I'm town they suspect I could be their DS and want to keep me nice and alive and happy.  If they have a convert like you keep insistently mentioning then yeah, I'm probably a witch in your eyes, but that'll only help the town since the mafia are gonna have to gamble their odds on either trying to ignore me or bandwagon me with whoever's left in their posse (unfortunately Dariush never spilled the beans on his partners, of course).

Also, going by what I could gather from him, you, Leafsnail, are not a witch.

Since me and him discussed possible DS candidates I made note to see the ones he picked as DS candidates and marked them as "not a witch".

In this extensive list we find ourselves like so:

Not a witch or death shaman 100%
ToonyMan - Viscount
Tiruin - Life Shaman (dead again, shocking!)

Not a witch or death shaman 80%
NQT - either NQT lead an epic bus on Dariush or he's not a witch, and also he was extremely convincing in his "not dying" department.

Most likely not a witch but could easily be the DS
Leafsnail (Dariush himself said Leafsnail was his second pick for Death Shaman after me)
Ottofar/Birdy (another Dariush pick for DS)
Zombie Urist - Dead now, which can only be something bad if he's the DS (another Dariush pick for DS)

My picks for witches
Toaster - I found as extremely odd behavior Day 2
Vector/Shakerag (Dariush actively dismissed the possibility of Vector being the DS)

Still witch/DS suspects to some extent
Lenglon
griffinpup/Hapah
Deathsword/IronyOwl
Okami/Solifuge

Witches
Dariush - Witch Maiden

Also, the witches wincon is supposedly to keep Tiruin dead and the Death Shaman alive.  They claim to have no night-kill.  Since I lost my contact might as well say everything!  If anybody needs clarification ask.

@Tiruin:
This is why I knew there was a Death Shaman.

Dariush also seems to claim they'd leave peacefully after getting their wincon, but I have to lay suspicion on that.  It would be bizarre for the town and mafia to be able to win together after all.

We all know bullies are a greater threat than terraists terrorists here.

Lots of things were cut from the novel but that's mostly some banter and more talking.

So nothing at all, then.

Quote from: ToonyMan on August 25, 2013, 04:19:19 pm

Also from my understanding the worst and most unlikable characters in Grisaia (Makina and Amane) have the best routes...

You finished Makina's route and still don't like her?
First half of her route (before shit got serious) is best part of game, she's so adorable there with all these military pranks.
Worst character for me is Michiru, only saving grace was Michiru-2, but writer fscked up even that.

No I don't like Makina.  I thought the military antics ranged from silly to boring.  (GET THAT ASS DOWN was kind of funny, but the air-soft sniping was like why are we doing this).  I generally liked the route more because Yuuji got a lot of characterization and there was a ton of silly Ichigaya business.  Like, I genuinely like Yuuji at this point probably.

I don't really care for Michiru either way.  I thought her route would be more interesting, it's okay but not as good as Yumiko's even.  Michiru-2 probably got more characterization than her but they're all generics!!

Yumiko is the anti-social calm type that usually isn't bothersome.  I am indifferent.  I liked Michiaki a lot though, he was written really well.

Sachi is probably the best girl, she gets the least amount of love in the common route I would say, and her character is definitely one of the more interesting ones, mental problems-wise.  Though I guess her route might not be as good as I hope.

Amane is annoying.  She's like instead of the loli little sister wet dream that is Makina, she is the big-breasted older sister wet dream that I really don't care about!  And that's about it.  There's not too much else to her character so far.  (though I'm quite sure her VA is the same one who does Sumika in MuvLuv, though I am guessing)

(what am I even talking about)

@quinnr:
Yes MLA is MuvLuv Alternative.  Don't play it first though, unless you don't care...

Quote from: ToonyMan on August 23, 2013, 03:05:06 pm

Amane should hopefully be at least entertaining, I hope.

Its most depressing route of them all, I've had to take breaks each 30-40 minutes to finish Angelic Howl in one sitting, not something I've expected after all that happy comedy in common route and silly, but still happy Sacchi route.

You had to take breaks?  I think the only time I ever had to stop playing a VN because I was too upset was in MLA, and you all know what I'm referring too if you've played MLA.

Anyway, should be starting Sachi soon.  (I actually like Sachi as a character so that's new...)

So far my opinion is Makina > Yumiko > Michiru.  For the writing/story-telling in the routes, not the characters themselves.

EDIT:
I have to agree though.  Grisaia and Rewrite both have really long common routes that are just complete nonsense and gags.  And then suddenly all the heroine routes get really dead fucking serious and dramatic.  I like that transition quite a bit.