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Anyway, if Max and Web want to swear themselves blood brothers then I can blame one of them for possibly throwing the game unless they're both scum. Do I think they're both scum? It seems unlikely, plus they probably mark themselves as targets either way.

I think this comes down to whether I can trust a pair of players involving Max again, or maybe it's a trio of players including Jim. I don't know.

The fundamental problem is I don't know what the scum team even is besides that there should be Cults involved. I'm not sure whether it's correct to pursue a solo scum or not for sure. I feel like it's correct to pursue solo scum on D1 of a cult game. This makes it hard to attack Web now because Max and Web are shielding each other. Jim is difficult as well because of Web and Max.

Wholeheartedly believing in players like Web/Max/Jim will likely guarantee a town victory if they're all town, but that would leave scum as...NQT and Knightwing?

Do I think scum are something like NQT and Knightwing?

I don't really think Tric is scum.
I don't really think NJW is scum.
I don't really think Egan is scum.
I don't really think Jack is scum.
Toaster probably isn't scum.
I want to say NQT isn't scum.
I don't know what KW is doing besides kaokening Jim 1000 times.

I submitted Culmination, so that's what I got.

I guess my role could be vaguely described as tying to the US Economy or something but I personally think that's a stretch.

If you picked Culmination that does make sense to get past roles.

Yeah, I'd vote KW, Max.

Knightwing is a possible vote I guess. I'm not really confident in this but mainly from a lack of information.

Knightwing is indeed… elsewhere.

Night school? Video games?

The reason why I think it's possible that Web and Max have a connection (besides saying they're masons), is because Webadict has some pretty strong town confidence in Max while understandably less town confidence in me. This seems odd to me because Web knows me and him have been fucked over by scum!Max in the past. So Web so freely giving Max the town pass is...there is probably a good reason I would like to hope.

@Max:
Get out of my head.

Quote from: Egan_BW on May 11, 2023, 07:47:21 pm

Wagon a-forming. NJW, you seem quite enthusiastic about this.

Hmm... nah, I actually don't like voting NJW.  He's kinda legit, he's just bad.

That's pretty much how I feel.

Who do you think did the Max boon thing? Was it NQT? You? Max himself?

Quote from: ToonyMan on May 11, 2023, 12:10:51 pm

I think Toaster's assessment of this setup being two solo Cult Leaders is reasonable.

I'd like to believe that, but I suspect it'll be more horrible than that.

It probably will be.

I think two solo Cult Leaders at a minimum.

Toony

We argued about exactly this issue two years ago in Supernatural 10, where we were both town!

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How's that for consistent meta!

Interesting. I'm glad you bothered to find that.

Quote from: ToonyMan on May 11, 2023, 11:33:26 am

I was also going to add that in the game me and 4mask were masons I figured a NQT scumtell was when he promised good stuff if he survived to D2 or D3, which is what he did. And was scum. I can even link actual proof when I'm at a computer.

Doesn't he do the same thing as town? I could've sworn that 'I only do my analysis on D2' is pretty standard notquitethere play regardless of alignment.

Fair, it's not really a good reasoning it only worked in our favor there.

Quote from: ToonyMan on May 11, 2023, 11:33:26 am

Your scenarios aren't accounting for the one where you're a cult leader.

Bad argument, one A_Curious_Cat used against you BYOR 16.

The default position to argue from regardless of alignment is the one that the majority of the players share, which is town in this case, so arguing that somebody isn't considering the options where they are scum is unfair.

Sure. I think it's odd NQT would assume their scumself is a cult member though. Maybe that's a towntell even. I don't really believe there is a cult member helping a leader/recruiter out already on D1, but there's nothing saying there couldn't be.

Sighs. I'm not someone who always reveals everything day 1, and I'd like not to do so this game. Please don't push this?

Who are you and what have you done with Tric?

Ohhh. So Euchrejack AND Webadict AND Max have all claimed to be unconvertible town. Seems unlikely they're all telling the truth.

Maybe cult should try to convert one and find out?

I would be surprised if Fallacy didn't include any unconvertable town.

Web is probably the most suspicious out of these three. Then Max, then Jack.

TricMagic

Do you want a thunderdome NQT? This is how you get a thunderdome. I am not dealing with that sort of tone.

Apparently in your eyes I can't even use my vote without any case or reason stated. Even though I did give one. I find you suspicious, that's enough to get my vote.

NQT is offline now, but my point still stands. In which you don't have to have a reasoned point to use your vote.

Wow so threatening.

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This is a really good post. I love big analytic posts and they really bias me.

I'm not 100% on everything. I think you're tunneling on Toaster.

I'm not a fan of NQT being shady about info but willing to share when D2 comes around. I think that's scummy, but I don't think he's scum. Maybe me and NJW are totally off base, but I feel like scum!NQT wouldn't be posting the way he has. I think if NQT is town this makes Webadict look worse but isn't as indicative for Toaster.

I was planning on voting Jim or Web today. This hasn't really changed. I think Jim has been really low-key and shady. I know Webadict has said they think Max is town, but how does Web feel about Jim? Webadict, is Jim being scummy? I think you're a better vote than Jim right now.

I'm also tempted to vote Tric for being a dick.

I think Toaster's assessment of this setup being two solo Cult Leaders is reasonable.

... NQT, you're alone aren't you? Truly alone. No allies to call on, no plans to plot, and you can't even rely on town to help you win. You've chosen a path where no one will help you, and that reflects in your actions. Rather than gathering info or choosing to lych someone, you're focused on a Day 2 that may never arrive. For mafia's sake, you're choosing me to push a lynch case on. That isn't a viable game plan. Hunt Cult, even if that results in you being hunted in turn, not this half-reasoned list.

Tric you're so insufferable.

I think it's interesting NQT puts you at the bottom of their reads. I think there's actual merit there. I'm not convinced NQT is town or scum, but I like his underdog spirit he basically has to give every game by being naturally suspected by a lot of players in this current meta.

You get the exact opposite treatment Tric and I would say you've done far less than NQT in this game.