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As in, if Tiruin is mafia he might really have an inspect, but he'd have to use his mafiakill instead.  I was pointing out he's scum because his two inspects fall on confirmed townies (although thinking about it he WAS town for one of these inspects at the very least).

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PFProfession
Hammer Tiruin.
Can you AT LEAST admit that Deathsword and UI are confirmed town??  That's what I was trying so hard to explain to you.
DS is confirmed town with Tiruin's claim.
Then why did you hammer him??  He can't inspect unless he's town.  You're either being stubborn against me again for some reason or you're scum.



Anyway:
If Tiruin is scum we've won this round.
If Tiruin is town I'm going to delay you Captain Ford and if there's still a kill it can only be Okami.  So we've pretty much won this now.

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So I get a vote but no summary on why I deserve that vote other than the 'other target'?
You voted yourself because you didn't want to get prodded, that means you have ZERO SUSPECTS.
You inspected the two players that are already confirmed (and this was after Deathsword and Urist Imik said they confirmed each other, I was only able to clear UI and this was before they said anything).

Mod: If an action is delayed, and the user is killed before the action goes off, will the action still occur during the next night?
No.
This also helps me believe more that Captain Ford is town, because I PM'd Leafsnail this exact same question.  I was afraid that maybe my delay on Toaster killed Hapah but that is not the case.  At the very least they're thinking the same as me.

I...also can't explain how I was redirected. However, I asked Leafsnail concerning redirect-ish types and an investigate, he answered with that I get the name of who I get redirected to and that its for successful inspections only. Obviously, not informed if we're redirected but the path of logic is obvious.
That reminds me:
I'm pretty sure I was redirected last night. I couldn't think of a reason for someone to redirect me specifically, and for a little while I wondered if UI might have been swapped with a Nexus.
These don't match up.  I asked Captain Ford who they got redirected onto earlier but they never answered or I can't find it.

Captain Ford?

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I'm a delayer.  I delayed Toaster N0 and N1.  I delayed UI N2.  This is why I'm so sure UI is town.  Deathsword disabling him just makes this better.
To put this simply:
You can only use one night action per night (this doesn't include automatic actions).
Deathsword and Urist Imik (and me) could not have killed anybody last night.
How convenient.  There's absolutely no way for you or Urist to confirm your action last night, unless somebody happened to track you.
Can you AT LEAST admit that Deathsword and UI are confirmed town??  That's what I was trying so hard to explain to you.

The only possible scum left are Captain Ford, Tiruin, or you.  I think it's either Captain Ford or Tiruin but if you're gonna be an idiot then I can accept it being you.
So I'm back on the list just for attacking you?  And there you go again with this "only possible scum" nonsense.
Not true, you have always been a possible scum pick.  I only doubted that because you didn't sound like the King Mafia about to get lynched Day 2 (remember you didn't know UI was pardoning you).

You're still deflecting, as Urist pointed out.  You're trying to distract everyone with your roleclaim, and you've failed to address any specific points I've brought against you.
I have not??

So, why Urist?  Why disable him last night?
1.  I delayed him
2.  His last post of the day looked like scum picking targets for the next day (I wanted to really make sure he was either scum or town).



Toony:
My vote on Okami was really bad I know.  I was pointing out in your selective quote that my top two suspects were the other voters so it matches very very well.  It's also very sad to be suspected by the guy who I confirmed first (which I can't prove 100% like DS unfortunately) and Okami who I'm pretty sure is town as well.
And again, they voted because they had cases. You didn't. Stop trying to deflect suspicion. As it turns out, my top two suspects also voted Okami. Mostly because the ones who didn't are either dead, confirmed town, or Okami himself.
Stop being an idiot!!  Why do the confirmed town always become lazy idiots??



Toony: Explain to me why there's a connection between me being nice to Hapah and him dying.
Distancing.  I wouldn't put it highest on the list of suspicious activity as it's not as convincing by itself (as in unless you've been acting scummy that can just be said to be null although I still wouldn't recommend camaraderie when there's mafia around).  It also doesn't help you have likely a 50% chance of being scum.

Unvote Captain Ford.  I think that's all I can get from them and overall they don't seem too scummy, but not nearly as convincing as Okami.  Urist Imik is being an idiot and I think Okami is still town too just DEAD WRONG.  I will instead be placing my vote on other top pick Tiruin.  Okami can make good points when they aren't being stubborn and Tiruin recently VOTED THEMSELVES and haven't really been too pressured during the game, I'm not sure how to read her otherwise though but she's definitely a top pick for me.  This'll likely be my final vote for this day and I'm a prime candidate for being lynched.  This is my judgement call.  At least the King Mafia is fucking screwed since he can't even kill all the confirmed town tonight.  It's either Tiruin, Captain Ford, or Okami.

My general reads are as followed:

Captain Ford - largely because of vote-swapping and they backed off of Okami when Okami backed off which would be wise for scum to stay un-pressured, currently living it easy on the sideline
Tiruin - acting weird and VOTED THEMSELVES, my pick tied with Captain Ford though they're going up...
Okami - Felt genuinely town when they though they were getting lynched, has nuggets of actual good scumhunting when not being an idiot.  Still possible scum but I sort of doubt it.

Also the currently exchange with Captain Ford and Tiruin right now has me siding with Captain Ford more and it wouldn't make sense to be voting Captain Ford if Tiruin is just as guilty in my eyes (and likely more at this point, inspect on both Deathsword and Urist Imik? Why say that now?)

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To put this simply:
You can only use one night action per night (this doesn't include automatic actions).
Deathsword and Urist Imik (and me) could not have killed anybody last night.

HAPAH DIED

Nobody is claiming the kill.  I BET THE KING MAFIA DID IT

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Toony: Hmm ...
You might be right about UI. Tell me, what makes you suspect me over Tiruin?
Your high-five with Hapah before he ends up dying, your attack on Okami (though you backed off), and you have un-voted and voted me in quick succession a lot, kind of like you're judging whether it'd be too scummy to vote.

UI is coming off scummy to me but it might just be his playstyle. I think every game I've played with him he's been scum (he was even my scum IC), so it might just be that I have no idea what his town game looks like.
True enough.  I highly doubt UI and Deathsword are scum though.

I'm pretty sure I was redirected last night. I couldn't think of a reason for someone to redirect me specifically, and for a little while I wondered if UI might have been swapped with a Nexus.
Redirected onto whom?



In short, you, ToonyMan, are this rounds KING MAFIA.
Fine.

I'm a delayer.  I delayed Toaster N0 and N1.  I delayed UI N2.  This is why I'm so sure UI is town.  Deathsword disabling him just makes this better.

The only possible scum left are Captain Ford, Tiruin, or you.  I think it's either Captain Ford or Tiruin but if you're gonna be an idiot then I can accept it being you.

I will also get pissed at UI for pardoning the fucking King Mafia but whatever...

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PFP

Toony:
With Captain Ford sorted out and Deathsword more or less cleared by claims, you're my next choice for scum.
You did join the bandwagon on me, after all, with only
That is pretty compelling.  I think I'll add pressure, Okami no Rei.
for a reason.
Other people who voted your "bandwagon": Tiruin, Captain Ford
You're deflecting attention away from yourself. Tiruin had a reason to vote Okami (or at least she did when she voted), and Captain Ford gave a reason as well. You didn't. You just tossed your vote on like whatever. So how are Tiruin's and Captain Ford's votes relevant to yours in any way?
My vote on Okami was really bad I know.  I was pointing out in your selective quote that my top two suspects were the other voters so it matches very very well.  It's also very sad to be suspected by the guy who I confirmed first (which I can't prove 100% like DS unfortunately) and Okami who I'm pretty sure is town as well.

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You can only use one night action per night (this doesn't include automatic actions).
This means Deathsword is cleared as well, no doubts.  That's good.

That leaves:
Tiruin, Okami, and Captain Ford.
There's one name you left off that list, Toony Man.
I'm not going to put myself on a possible scum list because I'm not scum.  You're just trying to sound edgy/smart here.

With Captain Ford sorted out and Deathsword more or less cleared by claims, you're my next choice for scum.
You did join the bandwagon on me, after all, with only
That is pretty compelling.  I think I'll add pressure, Okami no Rei.
for a reason.
Other people who voted your "bandwagon": Tiruin, Captain Ford

I understand why you suspect me, but I know I'm town so that's why like I said earlier the only possible scum I can see being left are Captain Ford and Tiruin.  It can be either really, Tiruin is hard to read but you seem to notice a difference while Ford voted and unvoted me like three times a bit ago.

If somebody does claim the Hapah kill and they say they're not the King Mafia then that's a whole different story.
How does that even make sense?  Is there any reason they'd say they are King Mafia?
Sorry, I like covering possibilities.  A vig claim would probably get that person lynched if they can't convince everyone, they would be pulling a gambit as the King Mafia.  That's what I meant.

I believe Tiruin is just being confusing here, I'm voting Deathsword.
Could you elaborate on this?
I'm more sure about Captain Ford being mafia than Tiruin.  Tiruin is still definitely possible since you seem to have a read, but I definitely feel more confident in Ford being the mafia.  That's why I think Tiruin is just being confusing, since he's town in this case.

I won't be able to post until late tonight most likely (school started again).

Leaving my vote on Captain Ford.

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General Discussion / Re: Good Visual Novel?
« on: March 25, 2013, 08:56:51 am »
Why has no one mentioned Hatoful Boyfriend.
Because mediocre gimmicky crap like Hatoful Boyfriend and Katawa Shoujo that draw popularity in their stupidly disgust me.

Are there multiple opinions on Kara no Shoujo, by the way?  I have a strange and powerful desire for it, but I'm not sure if that's stupid or what.
It's okay.  You'll need a walkthrough to finish it though unless you're really really good at being psychic.  I don't think the MC was too likable though.

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General Discussion / Re: Good Visual Novel?
« on: March 24, 2013, 09:56:56 pm »
Hoshimemo has been on my desktop for awhile but Insem's poor translation reputation is hurting my motivation.

I'd probably wait for Steins;Gate to get edited too since typos are everywhere.

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General Discussion / Re: Good Visual Novel?
« on: March 24, 2013, 09:42:46 pm »
Here's some things I've played, I'll just share my personal opinions.  My rating list is here if you really care.

Bold means must-play.
Italics means only partially translated or the game ends on a cliffhanger that you won't be able to resolve yet anyway.

I'll only list things on VNDB (so no Professor Layton or Ghost Trick) and there's also the STALKER MKIII guide you could look at.

Handhelds
Ace Attorney series (excellent)
Corpse Party series (very good)
Zero Escape series (written by Uchikoshi of Infinity fame)
Dangan Ronpa series (excellent)

07th Expansion
Higanbana no Saku Yoru ni - The First Night (okay, probably should wait for second night?)
Higurashi no Naku Koro ni (mustplay)
Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai (mustplay)
Rose Guns Days S1 (wait for Season 2)
Umineko no Naku Koro ni (mustplay)
Umineko no Nako Koro ni Chiru (mustplay)

Age
Muv-Luv (Extra is painful but bear through it)
Muv-Luv Alternative (you have to play Muv-Luv first though but it's worth it)
Muv-Luv Altered Fable (pretty good, what Extra should have been)

I don't think Akabesoft games are very good besides the music but maybe try Sharin no Kuni or G-senjou no Maou?

Alicesoft
Gahahaha

Nitro+
Chaos;Head (the ending isn't very good but it's fine otherwise)
Kikokugai -The Cyber Slayer- (very very good! written by Urobuchi of Fate/zero fame)
Saya no Uta (also written by Urobuchi)
Hanachirasu (pretty good)

KID
Ever 17: The Out of Infinity (pretty boring, probably want to play Zero Escape instead)
Remember 11: The Age of Infinity (NO ENDING but otherwise fine)

Key
Planetarian ~Chiisana Hoshi no Yume~ (okay)
Rewrite (fucking long, but it's okay)

Little Busters is pretty awful, I wouldn't play it.

Type-Moon
Fate/stay night (very good, although everybody has already played this...)
Fate/hollow ataraxia (WILL NEVER BE FINISHED TRANSLATED)
Tsukihime (interesting, it's pretty good, make sure to play the PLUS+DISC for the short story before you do KT or MB)
Kagetsu Tohya (like Fate/hollow you might as well, I liked it)
Melty Blood (the controls are really good, there's no story besides the original one really)

Liar-soft
Sekien no Inganock -What a Beautiful People- (very surreal and it's a bit predictable but it's short so why not?  great art and music)
Shikkoku no Sharnoth -What a Beautiful Tomorrow- (improves upon Inganock and also has great art and music)

Other stuff
Kara no Shoujo (for more murder mystery fun, sequel just came out)
Swan Song (I liked this although don't expect tooooo much)
Kamidori Alchemy Meister (pretty fun but the characters and story is bland)
Majikoi (the closest I've come to liking school life comedies, worth reading, also S and A)

And a bunch of others that aren't really translated at all so it would be too mean to recommend them *cough Baldr Sky Aiyoku no Eustia Fullmetal Daemon Muramasa Subahibi cough*.

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Toony: If there was an anarchist in the game, would that change your mind about UI?
There better not be a fucking anarchist or I'll strangle them!!!  That's such an anti-town role it's not even funny.  There's still a 50% chance my action did work though and there's a 100% chance that Deathsword disabled and swapped roles with Urist Imik since both can confirm that themselves.

You're my top pick for King Mafia too you know.



If somebody does claim the Hapah kill and they say they're not the King Mafia then that's a whole different story.  However, with Deathsword pretty much 100% confirming with UI that he was disabled UI is almost 100% not scum although Deathsword is likely a wash.

And besides all of that, UI pardoning Okami doesn't make any sense if he's scum unless he's trying to get brownie points (@Tiruin: being "too townie") which is really really dumb.

@MOD:
Can KING MAFIA use their mafia-kill along with their normal actions or do they have to just do one or the other?  I can't find a specific line for this in the OP, although I'm assuming they can right now.

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Mafia / Re: Roguelike Mafia 6 - Sign up now! [12/?]
« on: March 24, 2013, 01:11:59 pm »
Fair enough.  I figured dislike of RVS was on there.  Again, I appreciate having a ready replacement!
Has Zombie Urist ever replaced in for Urist Imik?  His username is fitting.

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What I'm saying is that there's only one mafia and if we follow the "townies never lie" rule that means even if either Deathsword or I am lying one of us will still be able to confirm that UI didn't kill anybody last night.

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Anyways, you're wrong about Hapah killing Toaster. His ignite is specifically a day ability.
Yeah that's right.  I'm not sure then.  Deathsword disabled UI anyway so both me and Deathsword are clearing him.

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