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Mafia / Re: Fallacy's Horrible Cults (11 / 11) - Day 1 - Return Of The Hot Dogs
« on: May 11, 2023, 11:33:26 am »
Quote from: webadict on May 11, 2023, 10:51:15 am
@NQT:  ...

Okay.

So in a game.

With Cults.

Your plan is to wait until Day 2 to explain your plan.

Good plan!  I see no flaws!

Do you see flaws!?
You beat me to this point.

I was also going to add that in the game me and 4mask were masons I figured a NQT scumtell was when he promised good stuff if he survived to D2 or D3, which is what he did. And was scum. I can even link actual proof when I'm at a computer.

Do you see why this looks bad NQT?

I can't argue Web's point he said before I could say it, it's a really good point.

Quote from: notquitethere on May 11, 2023, 11:00:39 am
Scenario B
1. I act a certain way during day 1
2. Day 2, converted to the cult, I explain what I was trying to do as a town player on D1

But OK I'm obviously not seeing what you're seeing, explain to me the flaws. Then, as an additional challenge, explain to me why me not seeing your bespoke flaws is somehow indicative that I'm a cult leader.
Your scenarios aren't accounting for the one where you're a cult leader.

In addition, it you were recruited into a cult then Scenario B is bad because you can make up a new deductive reasoning to aid your new cause even if your D1 play was honest.

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Mafia / Re: Fallacy's Horrible Cults (11 / 11) - Day 1 - Return Of The Hot Dogs
« on: May 11, 2023, 08:50:23 am »
Quote from: NJW2000 on May 11, 2023, 02:55:49 am
I disagree with the last point too, this play really isn't in NQT's meta as town or scum, but town!NQT does make dumb or plodding errors and scum!NQT really knows when to STFU, so if anything this is town!NQT. I've been mafia with him though, so maybe Toaster just doesn't know his meta.
I find this defense pretty convincing.

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Mafia / Re: Fallacy's Horrible Cults (11 / 11) - Day 1 - Return Of The Hot Dogs
« on: May 11, 2023, 08:44:56 am »
Jack is town unless they're playing very savvy.

I still think NQT is probably town which surprisingly NJW also sees.

Web would 100% claim miller and is almost certainly lying unless there's a weird coincidence. In BYOR16 I complained that I should have claimed miller on D1 which Web would be aware of. I could see town!NQT voting Web while genuinely not understanding this. I don't really think it tells us anything about Web and voting him over it is dumb.

NQT continues to vote every player and most of the votes are essentially prodding enquiries or bad. I don't think it's alignment indicative.

Toaster's case on NQT is mediocre, but maybe their conviction is real.

Jim is shaddy. Slim shaddy.

It took me this long to realize Jim keeps mentioning a ziggurat because he's constructing a quote pyramid.

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Mafia / Re: Fallacy's Horrible Cults (11 / 11) - Day 1 - Return Of The Hot Dogs
« on: May 10, 2023, 09:12:38 pm »
Quote from: ToonyMan on May 10, 2023, 08:52:22 pm
Did NQT slip knowing something he shouldn't? I didn't catch that.

It seems to be Toaster and then Web pointing this out. Let me see how I feel about this.
After re-reading I don't really understand.

1. Max claims they can't be converted.
2. Web replies saying they also can't be converted.
3. NQT votes Web for claiming they can't be converted combined with their fishy miller claim.
4. Toaster goes "got'em" and votes NQT.
5. Webadict theorizes that NQT maybe knows something he shouldn't (Cult can't be converted by other Cult?) and votes him.
6. NQT responds defending themselves from Web's accusation, saying they're going to assume from now that cult leaders can't convert one another.

I don't see anything here that's definitive.

I think NQT's response to Webadict is the oddest part, but Webadict's theory is really stretching it.

I would rate Webadict's vote a 4/10 at best. Toaster's vote is like a 2/10.

Quote from: NJW2000 on May 10, 2023, 03:33:53 pm
With someone else this might be reasonable, but preposterous D1 fakeclaims are standard webadict. I'd say there's a 75% chance he walks back on it.
I can almost guarantee this.

Quote from: TricMagic on May 10, 2023, 08:55:32 pm
Jim, should you vote Toony for that post?
Tric you literally vote me every game I'm town and think I'm town in games I'm not.

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Mafia / Re: Fallacy's Horrible Cults (11 / 11) - Day 1 - Return Of The Hot Dogs
« on: May 10, 2023, 08:52:22 pm »
Did NQT slip knowing something he shouldn't? I didn't catch that.

It seems to be Toaster and then Web pointing this out. Let me see how I feel about this.

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Mafia / Re: Fallacy's Horrible Cults (11 / 11) - Day 1 - Return Of The Hot Dogs
« on: May 10, 2023, 08:47:48 pm »
Quote from: notquitethere on May 10, 2023, 08:18:25 pm
Years ago when I first started playing mafia, experience hammered into me a certain procedural style. Like, not unvoting until your vote has been addressed. Not jumping all over the place. That sort of thing. Not because it made for more effective scum hunting necessarily, but because that's what players were looking for and you'd get in hot water if you were too lax. I suspect it was that. Like, me seeming to just take your word about Tric and then go vote someone else.
Sure, I've noticed this in your games recently.

You may notice from my side that I don't like voting people for awhile on D1, like, at all.

This is because I don't think a vote matters when you vote someone else in your very next post.

Tric - probably town
Egan - probably town
NQT - probably town?
Max - more likely to be town if nobody claims the boon action, not a guarantee however I don't see a problem with play
Knightwing - don't know yet
Jack - don't know yet
Jim - jamesnosis
Toaster - maybe cult
Webadict - could be cult
NJW - could be cult

I would be surprised if there was cult inside Tric/Egan/NQT.

I am unsure but probably wouldn't be surprised if cult was inside Max/Knightwing/Jack.

I wouldn't be surprised if cult was inside Jim/Toaster/Web/NJW.

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Mafia / Re: Fallacy's Horrible Cults (11 / 11) - Day 1 - Return Of The Hot Dogs
« on: May 10, 2023, 08:29:18 pm »
Quote from: notquitethere on May 10, 2023, 07:41:59 pm
This is painful to read Toonyman! You seem to be (willfully??) obscuring the fact that the mod has confirmed at least two scum teams. Scum want to take out rival cults more than they want to take out town, as I'm sure you are not so bumbling or oafish as to forget.
Are you saying you think scum think Max is also scum? Why should I listen to what scum think?

Also dude, chill. You've voted like 10 people in the last 12 hours. This is EuchreJack levels of crazy. I'm going to ignore the fact you ignored my question towards you (How much do you think I believe your nice guy attitude towards Tric?) because I don't know what to make of your D1 play so far. I honestly think you're town because of your insane slapdash approach which appears to have become the norm lately.

PPE:
Quote from: webadict on May 10, 2023, 08:24:27 pm
Hm...  I don't see it.  Personally, it seems like every other Town player missed out on WIFOMing the Cult by not claim Recruit immunity.  Gonna be honest:  Big mistake on their part.  The best part is that I think claiming it is better when Max and Toony aren't Cult Leaders, which is what I believe here.

And I definitely inspect as Mafia.  Go on, investigate me and find out.  Idk what to tell you.
The Cult(s) should definitely recruit me tonight.

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Mafia / Re: Fallacy's Horrible Cults (11 / 11) - Day 1 - Return Of The Hot Dogs
« on: May 10, 2023, 06:32:36 pm »
Anyone want to claim that?

Because otherwise I'm going to assume that was scum which makes me feel better about Max.

Unless Max did that to himself.

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Mafia / Re: Fallacy's Horrible Cults (11 / 11) - Day 1 - Return Of The Hot Dogs
« on: May 10, 2023, 04:38:16 pm »
Quote from: ToonyMan on May 10, 2023, 11:15:22 am
I wouldn't share your Lucky Numbers. I think it's important to keep them high and we don't want scum knowing our numbers, though I don't know which color goes to each Lucky Number I can probably guess based on cost and value.
Sorry, this is a mistake. I do know which of my lucky numbers goes to which color. I only read my PMs via email which displays everything in black, but they were in fact in color when I checked on Bay12.

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Mafia / Re: Fallacy's Horrible Cults (11 / 11) - Day 1 - Return Of The Hot Dogs
« on: May 10, 2023, 03:42:37 pm »
Everyone: *shitposting*
Toaster: posts penguin emotes
NJW: Toaster is sus

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Mafia / Re: Fallacy's Horrible Cults (11 / 11) - Day 1 - Return Of The Hot Dogs
« on: May 10, 2023, 02:01:12 pm »
I'm not going to vote someone for memeing unless it's all they do.

I didn't really like any of the Jim votes except NQT's since they actually voted him for a good reason, but they're on Toaster now so whatever.

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Mafia / Re: Fallacy's Horrible Cults (11 / 11) - Day 1 - Return Of The Hot Dogs
« on: May 10, 2023, 01:43:09 pm »
Quote from: Maximum Spin on May 10, 2023, 01:17:44 pm
Quote from: Jim Groovester on May 10, 2023, 11:16:58 am
How many people have been entrusted with secret knowledge? I have an Info blurb that tells me what the green numbers do.
I got shit.

But at least I can't be converted.

I also can't claim miller this time around because I WANT you people to inspect me. It'll be funny, I swear. Well, for me.
I like 0% believe you can't be converted and would say this as town on the off chance a Cult sees what you're laying down and converts the claimed "unconvertable".

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Mafia / Re: Fallacy's Horrible Cults (11 / 11) - Day 1 - Return Of The Hot Dogs
« on: May 10, 2023, 01:15:09 pm »
Quote from: Egan_BW on May 10, 2023, 12:55:27 pm
Quote from: ToonyMan on May 10, 2023, 08:54:43 am

Here's my offer Cult: Recruit me tonight. I'm an invaluable asset and won't pretend I'm goody-two-shoes town like some less than respectable folk. While winning for town is my current wincon and I'll play that part, my abilities are probably extremely harmful and I just don't feel comfortable using them as town.
ToonyMan is a bad man let's ultrakill ToonyMan immediately because Toonyman is bad.
I'm not bad but many people will die if I become bad.

Quote from: webadict on May 10, 2023, 01:05:55 pm
Well, you're in luck because I can modify Purple colors... downward.  Do you want your numbers downward?
I can lower any color downward.

It doesn't sound like a good thing. I decline your offer.

Quote from: webadict on May 10, 2023, 01:05:55 pm
Quote from: Egan_BW on May 10, 2023, 01:02:48 pm
Makes sense. I guess if Jim's scum then he's mafia with Wuba. Since wuba claimed miller-mason.
Okay, Egan's probably Town.
Correct.

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Mafia / Re: Fallacy's Horrible Cults (11 / 11) - Day 1 - Return Of The Hot Dogs
« on: May 10, 2023, 11:47:19 am »
Quote from: TricMagic on May 10, 2023, 11:24:43 am
At a meta guess, Jim is Cult, Toony is Cult. Jim is being quite audacious in their actions, which isn't normal unless he's playing up the meme so we don't look too deeply into his actions once he actually starts playing. Toony is Cult because Hats.
Wrong.

Quote from: EuchreJack on May 10, 2023, 11:26:29 am
It's sorta early to say this...but Tric is probably town.
Care to vote me over it, Tric?  :P
Correct.

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Mafia / Re: Fallacy's Horrible Cults (11 / 11) - Day 1 - Return Of The Hot Dogs
« on: May 10, 2023, 11:15:22 am »
I wouldn't share your Lucky Numbers. I think it's important to keep them high and we don't want scum knowing our numbers, though I don't know which color goes to each Lucky Number I can probably guess based on cost and value.

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