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I suppose a Leafsnail/Toaster/Tiruin team would be hilarious though...

No crap. Downvoting. I just remembered why I believed Nerjin was a spy. Ugh.

I swear to god Ford, you're most likely town, pulled a cool vote gambit that out'd ZU as a spy and Nerjin as a rebel, and yet you think the complete opposite of the two.

(which is total bullshit)*

Link added.

Perhaps, LS is telling the truth. Oh yes Toony, I'm a spy. Woohoo.

CASE CLOSED

Quote from: Captain Ford on March 03, 2013, 12:32:03 pm

Quote from: Tiruin on March 03, 2013, 04:28:23 am

Look, if there's one thing I'd want you to believe me is that there was one spy in my darn team.

You're pretty sure that LS and Toaster aren't both spies then?

Yes.

That's some good info, spy!  So LS and Toaster are cleared...

NQT:

Quote from: notquitethere on March 03, 2013, 10:22:01 am

Ugh. I've mostly been really busy. I don't know how helpful it is giving my reads when most everybody will have voted on the team and I don't feel I could trust LS on principle right now. But look, I can see how I might seem dubious for this. When this vote fails I'll be more engaged in the next discussion.

Something got my eye.

Quote from: notquitethere on March 03, 2013, 10:22:01 am

[...]When this vote fails I'll be more engaged in the next discussion.

"When"? Like, a definitive?

Yeah you're exactly right.  NQT and ZU are definitely spies.  Don't try too hard distancing from them though, third spy!

I have no idea how to explain this, but I believe LS is pulling a safety line drop. He picked a fully town team to elongate the game, is what I'm thinking, because those 4 stand clearly in the town side.

Wow.

Okay:
1. Why would a spy risk an easy win.
2. Why are you confident he picked a fully town team? (it's because you're a spy)

I can only see that you're up-voting this in the hopes of getting on the last team that requires five players.  Sorry, but if this works out it's gonna be Leafsnail or me.

You've got this backwards. Firstly, if he gets quicklynched on D1, do you really think he'll care to join a BM instead of just ragequitting? If so, he'll be the first. In my two-anna-half years here I don't recall a single person to go to a BM after playing a real game. Secondly, just because he's 1/16 doesn't mean anything. Whichever team he happens to be on will be at a disadvantage after he gets lynched. What would be the point of that? A wasted day, sure, and not much else.

NQT outlasted you and also correctly shot a mason

please do this every sign-ups

I can confirm that my flavor mentions that I was in a team with Ford or something. However, I specifically asked GG about this and he said that this is in no way indicative of his alignment.

Okay.

EBWODP: 'him picking the same scumteam as LS did before him' means 'Toony picking the same scumteam as LS did before LS did'.

So if all evidence points to a fact, it's wrong for multiple people to state that?  If Leafsnail said his scumteam first I would become unable to say it as well?

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Toony:

Quote from: ToonyMan on February 28, 2013, 10:50:44 pm

Spoiler: If the scum team is Zombie Urist, Tiruin, NQT (and Deathsword) this is how the votes would look (click to show/hide)

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Pretty interesting, Tiruin and NQT have always voted together.  Although that's not really damning, since for example Leafsnail and Captain Ford have always voted together as well (Toaster would be in this group too if he didn't fail to vote the 2nd round).

This is a nice way of looking at the data (and I used it myself while doing the stream of consciousness-style review above), but what conclusions are you drawing from it?

You're right, the second mission that went out proposed by Dariush would have 2/3rd the scum team down-voting it.  If we based scumreads on how people voted then let's update my older post from here:

(please note that this is the first mission where we don't actually know for sure there was even a spy on the team)
If there was at least one spy on the newest mission [this is what I believe]:
The 50%ers
ToonyMan - right 1/2 (first/third)
Nerjin - right 1/2 (third/fourth)
Dariush - right 1/2 (second/fourth)
Captain Ford - right 1/2 (first/fourth)
Leafsnail - right 1/2 (first/fourth)
Toaster - right 1/2 (first/fourth)

The 25%er
notquitethere - right 1/4 (third)
Tiruin - right 1/4 (third)
Zombie Urist - right 1/4 (first)

This is a hilariously obvious result, but I will state very clearly that Zombie Urist is definitely scum, no question in my mind.  My first suspicions begin here where I lump him with Dariush and Leafsnail, but he's never really gone away from my scum team.  What's most damning for me is that he has always up-voted probable or definite spy teams except the first which was universally panned anyway.  I agree with LS that he was going for a quick win before Ford pulled the rug under his feet.

NQT and Tiruin are also 25%ers, not the same as ZU but they are together.  You could even say they had the audacity to up-vote that first RNG'd team.

If the the team proposed was actually all rebels:
The 75%ers
ToonyMan - right 3/4 (first/third/fourth)

The 50%ers
Tiruin - right 1/2 (third/fourth)
notquitethere - right 1/2 (third/fourth)
Zombie Urist - right 1/2 (first/fourth)

The 25%ers
Nerjin - right 1/3 (third)
Dariush - right 1/3 (second)
Captain Ford - right 1/3 (first)
Leafsnail - right 1/3 (first)
Toaster - right 1/3 (first)

...Besides bringing me into god-tier territory this also separates Tiruin/NQT/ZU very very clearly again.  Because if this team actually was all rebels that would clear Captain Ford, ToonyMan, NQT, and Nerjin.  Thus ZU is still totally a spy and Tiruin is still suspicious.

So I think we're getting a general idea of who the scum team are, but we're probably wrong on one of the players at least.  ZU is my sure bet for scum so I don't want any team he proposes or him on any team.

Funny enough, since I believe the spies will always sabotage this almost completely clears Leafsnail, Dariush, and Ford in my eyes.  I can't put the stamp down on that though, since Dariush is right that spies could just laylow with a plan schemed beforehand.

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Quote from: Tiruin on March 01, 2013, 05:26:16 am

Quote from: ToonyMan on February 28, 2013, 10:50:44 pm

Pretty interesting, Tiruin and NQT have always voted together.  Although that's not really damning, since for example Leafsnail and Captain Ford have always voted together as well (Toaster would be in this group too if he didn't fail to vote the 2nd round).

I've always voted on my own volition, for the record.

Although this I understand. Toony implied that he and NQT voted together, so he was clarifying that it was a coincidence.

Tiruin didn't really need to clarify that, though.

The flavor was that we were both in another team of revolutionaries together, which was nearly wiped out in a mission gone bad, with us as the two sole survivors. I didn't mention it before, because it's pure flavor and I'm sure it has no bearing on his alignment (since this game has no power roles). It's also pure WIFOM fuel, and would almost certainly have created a lethal shitstorm if I'd brought it up early on. I'm sure Dariush thought the same thing. I'm also sure that Dariush was thinking, "please god, don't let Ford be stupid and bring that up." But at this point, I think it's past the point where bringing it up would create a problem.

Dariush should confirm this.

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Pretty interesting, Tiruin and NQT have always voted together.  Although that's not really damning, since for example Leafsnail and Captain Ford have always voted together as well (Toaster would be in this group too if he didn't fail to vote the 2nd round).