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ToonyMan: Do you think Nerjin might be faking it? It's hard to see a spy being dejected like that when his team is winning. I'm thinking about nominating him for the fourth position.

No, he feels pretty real which is pissing me off, because town shouldn't act like that.

Toony: So do you think Nerjin is a spy or not? Cause you've been dead sure he was early on, then not sure at all now, and pretty sure NQT was scummier earlier.

I'd rather not have either.  NQT hasn't been helpful this entire game and Nerjin is not much better.  I definitely don't want both, since one is likely a spy (I can't say I could pick though, leaning NQT right now).  The reason I'm hesitant with Nerjin is he seems like genuinely hurt town which sucks for me because I have to stand here and go "yeah Nerjin seems completely defeated, he must be town!!"

Quote from: Captain Ford on February 26, 2013, 06:21:11 pm

ToonyMan: Do you think Nerjin might be faking it? It's hard to see a spy being dejected like that when his team is winning. I'm thinking about nominating him for the fourth position.
...ironically, that's pretty much exactly the team that Tiruin first chose. Damn. I wish we had gone with that team.

Your team won't pass. Not with me on it. Trust me, find a player the others actually trust. All the good intentions in the world won't help if you're team doesn't pass.

Cheese and crackers dude, this is so annoying.  I don't attack players to demotivate them into hollow shells, it's to find their reads.  You've spent this entire game being an angsty EVA pilot and it's getting us nowhere.

Basically what I'm saying is that Nerjin > NQT town-wise by far otherwise.

Oh do we all get dumb nick names??  I call Toony 'The Milkman' Man.

Could they even handle the tens of millions of court cases this would cause?  This just reminds me of under-aged drinking and marijuana.

Hmmm so unless the rebels can suddenly play a perfect game we're fucked?  Sounds good.

First Team Proposed by Nerjin (RNG'd):

The proposed team was:
2. Tiruin
3. Deathsword
10. Toaster **This should have actually been me but Nerjin supposedly misread**

The final vote counts layout was:
In favour: 4
Nerjin: Up
Dariush: Up
notquitethere: Up
Tiruin: Up

Against: 6
ToonyMan: Down
Captain Ford: Down
Toaster: Down
Leafsnail: Down
Zombie Urist: Down
Deathsword: Down

Didn't pass

Second Team proposed by Tiruin (largely from what I said):

Tiruin's proposed team was:
Tiruin
Leafsnail
Toaster

The final vote counts layout was:
In favour:
Nerjin: Up
Toonyman: Up
Zombie Urist: Up
notquitethere: Up
Tiruin: Up
Leafsnail: Up
Captain Ford: Up

Against:
Dariush: Down
Toaster: Failed to Vote. Effective Vote: Down

Passed and the mission failed with one sabotage

Third team was proposed by Dariush (agreed with Toaster and Leafsnail besides adding me instead of LS):

Dariush's Proposed Team:
Leafsnail
Dariush
zombie urist
Captain Ford

Up votes:
Toaster
Dariush
Zombie urist
Captain Ford
Leafsnail

Down votes:
notquitethere
Tiruin
Nerjin
ToonyMan

Also passed and the mission failed with one sabotage.

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The first team organized is interesting because we know for a fact that Deathsword is a spy.  That would put suspicions on Nerjin, Dariush, NQT, and Tiruin for upvoting.  With one of Tiruin/Toaster/Leafsnail being a spy the only one of those three that up-voted was Tiruin who said he was okay with the team because he was on it and wanted to get things going.

For the second team organized it was anonymously up-voted except for Dariush, and he was right.  This gives him town points at least.  As for the team itself, Tiruin pretty much did exactly as I said (I never told him exactly who to pick besides himself, Toaster and Leafsnail just happened to coincide with who my two picks would have been back then as well) and nobody disagreed except Dariush.

I really wish Dariush didn't put Leafsnail in the second mission to go off, Leafsnail was totally okay with putting me in for him.  Of course if Leafsnail isn't that spy the mission would have failed regardless if I went.

For the third team organized it was like the first team except backwards.  So I would say this lightens a bit off NQT, Tiruin, Nerjin, and myself vote-wise at least.  Notice that this is identical to the first team except Dariush and me have swapped places.  It also almost completely cancels out each other.

Oh, and before we start the fun part.  Zombie Urist and Captain Ford did numbers of their own, regarding whether bring someone from the first failed mission is good percentage-wise or not.  Zombie Urist says we should, while Captain Ford says we shouldn't (along with NQT a bit earlier sort of).  That's a discrepancy, going to talk this out you two?  Both agreed to the newest team anyway (as well as being on it!), so this puts contrary points in Ford's mouth.  Don't even get me started about Dariush saying he down-voted his team when he clearly did not, maybe I read that wrong.

Here comes the fun part, CORRECT VOTING FRACTIONS/PERCENTAGES:

Deathsword only voted once and he was right to downvote, although he's a confirmed spy so this shows you can't trust these numbers completely but they're a nice guide.  Especially over time, anyway--

The 66%ers
ToonyMan - right 2/3 (first/third)

The 33%ers
Nerjin - right 1/3 (third)
Tiruin - right 1/3 (third)
Dariush - right 1/3 (second)
Captain - right 1/3 (first)
Leafsnail - right 1/3 (first)
notquitethere - right 1/3 (third)
Zombie Urist - right 1/3 (first)
Toaster - right 1/3 (first)  [author's note: Toaster said he would have up-voted the second mission but flubbed it so I'll count it as so]

...Wow, okay I thought it would be a bit better than that...I can feel a little happier about myself.

Actually on that note the three people who haven't gone on a mission now are ToonyMan, Nerjin, and NQT.  For this mission we have to bring four people (and I believe one sabotage is enough for GAME OVER) so uuuh...maybe the game is designed for the spies?  If I was Captain Ford I would pick myself, ToonyMan, prooobably Toaster, and then someone from the newest team that you feel is most town, that way we have more than a 50% of getting one successful mission, I hope?  I didn't do any math for that.  I mean I guess you could pick Nerjin or NQT as the last guy but that feels like flipping a coin of doom.

I did enjoyed Little Busters alot more than Air and Planetarian is limbo for me, you never played Clannad? O_o

I might play Clannad before I die.

ToonyMan

Quote from: ToonyMan on February 15, 2013, 01:24:23 pm

Quote from: Tiruin on February 14, 2013, 11:44:16 pm

Also, the second statement is up for fallibility. He could've organized a team with spies in it, but then they would've laid low just to put the assumption that he's clean

If the spies laylow on the first mission then they're making a really bad move.

Quote from: Tiruin on February 14, 2013, 11:44:16 pm

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I don't really like this though, I'd much prefer if the team we organize we actually have fairly confident town reads instead of putting people with suspicions in there.  If I were you Tiruin I would put myself and two people I could see not being spies.

So let's go on with the next team:
Tiruin
Toaster
Leafsnail

Fine, I'll up-vote this.

Why do you fine lying low on the first mission a bad move? It can give the idea that the team was fully town aligned.

The goal of this game is to get three wins first, wasting the first round to the enemy team is dumb.

Could you say why you upvoted that list?

You did exactly as I said, rejecting it would be weird and contrary.

Quote from: ToonyMan on February 20, 2013, 09:14:39 am

[...]And while Tiruin's posts always bother the hell out of me[...]

And dude, look. If you've any problem with my posts/playstyle, could you at least tell me what they are? Always is such a harsh word when used here. All I want to do is to play a game wherein my quirks don't affect me in a holistic way. While I could just drop a 'this annoys me', I want this kind of labeling to end. What the hell is your problem with me anyway?

I legitimately don't understand what you're trying to say half the time, it's not really "bothers me because he's scummy" and more "bothers me because what the heck is he trying to say??".  I probably state this every single game.

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I voted yes.  ZU's list looks pretty good other than listing Captain Ford as town.

I'm flattered but I don't think this is a very good team.  It has NQT and Ford on it, and I'm pretty sure one of them is the third spy.

Leafsnail
Dariush
zombie urist
Captain Ford

That team is acceptable.

Why is Ford suddenly okay??  The only change I see is here and you decide to accept Ford to replace NQT's position in Toaster's list, which I must mention completes ignores what I say against him and instead just showers me in "he's totally tooown for some reason".

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Quote from: notquitethere on February 21, 2013, 07:09:32 am

In any case, I've downvoted due to the Leafsnail presence. Too risky to send a confirmed maybe-spy on the mission. I think most of everyone's so-called reads are blind gropings in the dark and it's better to rely on actual facts that we have available and the fact is LS is wholly capable of lying and fronting as town and is 33% to 100% spy while everyone else is 0-33% spy and Dariush's vote is exactly the sort of scenario that would make spies want to put more than one spy on a team. I'm open to being convinced otherwise.

Are you stuuuuuuuuupid??? EVERYONE IS EITHER A SPY OR NOT. You can't be 1/3 of a spy. That being said, the chance of ANY given person being a spy is 33%.

Quote from: notquitethere on February 21, 2013, 07:09:32 am

Be enthusiastic -> Must be scum
Be logical -> Probably scum
Try to be helpful -> Definitely scum

You must be definitely be scum then. 

Quote from: Tiruin on February 21, 2013, 06:52:40 am

Dariush: I request you to replace Leafsnail with Yourself in the list.

Are you actually paying attention lol?
I think I'll vote up.

This entire post is cocky as shit, spy scum.

I'm voting down of course since it wouldn't surprise me at all if this team has two spies or even all three.

I did finish the first season, but it was so awful (punching myself in the head) I've only watched two episodes of Fumoffu.  Fumoffu at least understands that this series is a complete joke and is pretty funny. 

I haven't watched much anime since starting Rewrite two months ago though.  Because I fucking love 200 hour long VNs.  I'm almost done with the heroine routes...yes it has a higher line count than Fate/stay night.