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If I could choose between everybody having guns for safety or nobody having guns for safety...I think nobody should have guns.

ToonyMan:

Quote from: ToonyMan on December 13, 2012, 07:45:33 pm

Quote from: Bookthras on December 13, 2012, 05:24:31 pm

Do both seem equally likely to be scum to you?

Yes.  They're both labeled as part of the mafia faction and the OP has them in red.  I have no reason to doubt their scumitude beyond your deceit.  They even behaved like scum (something you admitted yourself).

Right. They're both painted red because they both flipped mafia. If a death-miller existed, do you think he'd be painted green on the OP when he flipped? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose? How do you think an actual death-miller would be coloured?

I don't think Leafsnail or MrCelt are deathmillers and if they are then you're lying about your role as a D1 scum move unless Webadict made two or more deathmillers, but I didn't read this as a bastard game so I'd like to believe the flips I see.

Sure, Leaf behaved scummily D1, but his flip details give reason to doubt his actual alignment was mafia. You are free to disagree, but when you base that disagreement on lies, faulty logic, and wilful ignorance of facts (like, say, implications of the lack of other kills N1), it reads more like an argument a scum would present to defend a bullshit case.

Except Leafsnail's role could go the exact opposite way trying to make you think he was mafia.  The title implies it's using WIFOM (Conspiracy Theorist) so you should be basing this on how he acted while he was alive and what his actual flip was.  Your confidence in Leafsnail certainly being town feels too sure like you know what his real alignment is. 

As for the lack of other kills I addressed this before, the lack of other kills N1 is something that holds no significance of implication in your case:
Nobody died N1 of BYOR10
Only mafia died N1 of BYOR8, Powder Miner had an ability to hide his role and alignment..
Nobody died N1 of BYOR7
No town died N1 of BYOR6.3
BYOR9 and 5.5 had town die N1, but also at least one non-town alignment.  I shouldn't need to go further to every single game to point this out.

Quote from: ToonyMan on December 13, 2012, 07:45:33 pm

Quote from: Bookthras on December 13, 2012, 05:24:31 pm

This tunneling based on lies of yours is getting increasingly scummy. I wouldn't mind to see you jump into that duel thing. But before we decide that, let's hear from others first.

I don't mind if you're the dueler, no reason to skitter away.

Right, but you didn't answer my concerns about your case being based on lies or my questions:
- What prompted your question implying I thought MrCelt was town?

Because you think Leafsnail is town.

- When did I say I wanted to lynch Leafsnail D2?

I misread, looking back at the post I was thinking of turns out to be a case of saying Leafsnail is scummier than Urist Imik but UI is a "safer" lynch.  I bet I remembered a past game and put words in your mouth, otherwise I can't find it.

- When did I ignore Leaf flipped mafia?

Huh?  Do you mean "Leaf flipping mafia"?  If that's true I don't understand what you're trying to say either way.

- Is your opinion that the fact Leafsnail didn't claim death-miller D1 means he couldn't be one?

A very high probability, yes.  The only thing I can think of is a mafia with a death-miller kill, which I would really hate Webadict for putting that in.

Do you think Mr. Celt not claiming death-miller means he couldn't be one?

Additional questions: please give your other scum picks with reasons; how do you think the lynch mechanics will impact the day's votes; and state your opinions on scummitude of Shakerag, Toaster and Hapah.

So 'Tiruin scum chores' again I see...

1.
Besides you of course.
Shakerag - hasn't posted this game day but was last on a couple hours ago, being a hypocrite.
Zombie Urist - suspicious of my reasons for voting non-town UI without giving exact reasons, active-lurking.

2.
The two highest scumpicks will duel it out?  Not much should change besides picking two candidates.  If I was being silly I would say we could all vote ourselves and let the game come down to chance, but that's too radical and there's obviously the danger of vote shenanigans.

3.
Shakerag, scum.
Toaster, town (he even hammered Mr. Celt last day).
Hapah, on the fence currently, leaning town.

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I'm kinda suprised that Toaster made it through the night, though Im hesitant to draw any conclusions from this.

Why?

Just going to throw a vote on Tylui until he shows up or something else.

You don't seem to care who gets lynched Zombie Urist.

MOD: Can we get Dariush's role info?

I guess not then, huh?

Quote from: Bookthras on December 13, 2012, 05:24:31 pm

Wuba: please clarify: if at end of day one player has 4 votes, and three others two votes (none with three votes), is then the duel between all four players, lynchee decided at random? If one player is hammered with five votes and no other player is voted (all others have zero votes), is the lynch decided randomly amongst all players?
...if so, I expect plenty of opportunities for the scum to fuck with the lynch today.

Correct. All four people duel it out.

If my impression is correct then is there only one survivor?  Or only one dead?

Do both seem equally likely to be scum to you?

Yes.  They're both labeled as part of the mafia faction and the OP has them in red.  I have no reason to doubt their scumitude beyond your deceit.  They even behaved like scum (something you admitted yourself).

This tunneling based on lies of yours is getting increasingly scummy. I wouldn't mind to see you jump into that duel thing. But before we decide that, let's hear from others first.

I don't mind if you're the dueler, no reason to skitter away.

I'm on volume 10 of Dorohedoro now and holy fuck yes.
This is a great manga.

That is still......in limbo.
That is......Dorohedoro!

EDIT:
I finished all of translated MuvLuv Altered Fable so far as well.
This is actually...entertaining?!  I remember spitting venom at MuvLuv Extra.

You can tell my semester is over. 

Oh boy oh boy, there's a new SRW coming out and I even have pictures! Okay, it's a vidyagaem and not an animes, but it's a vidyagaem that's a crossover of a bunch of animes so I think it fits here.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

That's just some of the newcomers. Demonbane, Mazinkaiser SKL, Heroman and a Miku-themed Virtual-On robot.

Wow Demonbane of all things.  Why now??

EDIT:
Damn I had to download the P&SwG OST.

That works for me too since mine end Wednesday.

Caught up with Kaiji again. Gotta say that was really out there.
Can't wait for the epic rematch against Hyoudo that I'm presuming is gonna be a thing.

The last panel is great.  KAIJI-KUUUUUN

EDIT:
Did I mention Dorohedoro is really awesome?
It's really awesome.

Yeah I literally saw that PV a few minutes before checking Bay12.  MY HYPE IS ON

I predicted Fate/zero was going to be really fucking good before it aired (it was) so I'll place my bets on Shingeki no Kyojin next year.

EDIT:
Although I'm always cheating because I read the being adapted material beforehand.