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Quote from: Egan_BW on April 22, 2023, 10:18:18 pm

Hmm, if Toonyman was Leng's partner and Max + Jim are team A, maybe it's better to take out one of Max or Jim today. Divide and conquer; two weakened scum teams are weaker than one full strength one.

What the heck are you talking about? Two mafia teams can kill twice as many people as a single full-strength one in 99% of situations! Even if max or jim are mafia (and I wouldnt doubt atleast one of them are frankly) we would be much better off finding Lenglons partner then going for "two weakened scum teams" memery.

I wasn't thinking very well earlier, it's true.

Under this metric even if Max and Jim are suspect they're very likely not with Lenglon.

Calling it now: Mason chat is mafia chat.

Do I thunderdome FallacyofUrist at the end of Day 1 if I'm not myself on a mason team?

You're right, it's pretty understandable to doubt a mason claim when you yourself are a mason. I didn't really get the impression you were masons on D1 though. You're either really good at hiding it or came up with this idea after D1.

It's frustrating because I have a hard time doubting you, and I still want to read you as town. But now that I've learned you're associated with Max it makes me feel dirty. I'm suspicious of you killing FoU. It lines up with your motivation, but that's a reasoning you could have built up as part of a mafia agenda.

I don't think ToonyMan is Lenglon's partner. I really wonder if he spends as much time as he does weighing in on the Tric/FoU argument and even calls FoU a mafia ally if in the back of his mind he's thinking there might be a way for FoU to eventually join his team.

If anything, any player who weighed in against FoU is less likely to be Lenglon's partner and any players who came in on the side of FoU or mostly avoided it are more likely to be Lenglon's partner. Players in the first category are ToonyMan, A_Curious_Cat, juicebox. Players in the latter would be notquitethere, hector13, any of the other lurkers. hector13 weighed in in FoU's favor, which I'll grant he could genuinely do as town.

This shows someone seriously considering the events of D1. I think this looks good.

Killing one of the Max+Jim team today is also ideal, because if there's only one of them left with Hector tonight then they are now in a spot where if they kill each other they lose, but if they target town instead we're also going to pick them off the following days. It's very unlikely town can lose from that position.

Max is probably more dangerous and I've suspected them more even if they're claiming together, so Max first.

Because we could have both won along with Lenglon, or used Fallacy's godlike role to become scum opportunistically. Was better to hedge our bets.

I'm telling you now because we obviously can't win like that with leng and fal both dead.

You were effectively mafia-allies on D1 then by behaving that way. I count that as a correct read on my part.

"mafia team b" is the phrasing Fal gave me. There may have been some game of telephone going on because I was hearing the goings on in loverschat from masonchat and fal was hearing the goings on of scumchat from loverschat.

To paraphrase "leng says she's in mafia team b."

Why didn't you or FoU share that with us on D1?

Lenglon killed Fallacy to ascend to Godhood, right?

They ascended all right.

Any reason an inspect might provide a wrong result on you, Toony?

I think mafia framed me. It wouldn't have been Hector I can say at least.

Hector thinks there are 4 (now 3) mafia in total split between 2 teams but this feels... wrong? Cause this would mean at minimum assuming Max is town mafia killed 3 people at night which feels like alot for such a small mafia team... anyway my main point of thought right now is I think that it may genuinely be a possibility that half the players left are mafia of some variety which is uh quiet a scary thought.

It could be 2 and 2 mafia if there's third party killers. Max isn't cleared town because of the Lenglon kill for this setup.

You're right that it's pretty possible that half the players alive are not town.

If I had to make two groups of players it would look something like this:

Good Pile
Egan
NQT
Knightwing
Cat

Bad Pile
Fluffe - sorry
Juicebox
Jim
Max
Hector

Why are people certain that there are two scum teams? There might be (and would explain why a scum Toony has an inspect) but is there a compelling reason? We know town players can and do have kill powers in this setup.

It's not clear. This is based on the amount of kills, specifically unclaimed kills.


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Quote from: notquitethere on April 22, 2023, 05:33:15 pm

Why are people certain that there are two scum teams? There might be (and would explain why a scum Toony has an inspect) but is there a compelling reason? We know town players can and do have kill powers in this setup.

Leng's mafia team seems to have thought it likely. I don't remember if we were told a reason why.

...I think it's because she knew herself to be member of mafia team b.

Or this.

Also why did Max chicken out at the end of D1?

I also found it weirdly emotional for Max.

So that leaves 2 scum teams out of 7 players if I can count right. We’ve already caught 1, so… if there’s 2 per team there’s 3 left, otherwise half the town is scum lol.

Who do you think is the mafia with Lenglon?

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Maximum Spin: did not.
NQT: did not.
Cat: did not.

I targeted Hector and NQT.