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I would rather vote a1s or NQT at this point and not Max, come on Web vote one and I'll tie break.

You guys wouldn't want another tie, would you?

Not really, no.

I'll switch to a1s if nothing changes.

I feel like I have to vote Max at this point, but I'll switch to prevent ties, ideally onto one of Jack/NQT/a1s.

Day 1 thoughts about a1s, Fluffe, Jack, and NQT.


a1s
#112 - Jack votes a1s so they now have three votes. a1s goes "woe is me" and says they're already dead which upsets NQT immediately after.
I guess NQT looks worse than Jack here since Jack is attacking a1s while NQT is telling a1s to stand up and fight, but I could see town!NQT wanting to help, NQT also votes a1s later for the remainder of Day 1. Kind of null.

#115 - a1s votes Jack back and that's about it.
Pretty much all of a1s' posts are like this, short and simple. They vote Webadict later in basically the same way because I tell them to. They seem to be doing whatever the heck they want. Jack thinks they're like their play in their other game but doesn't seem to feel that strong about it. Webadict seems to usually think they're scum.

#179 - Near end of Day 1. a1s is at 4 votes. Jack is at 3 votes. a1s unvotes Jack and declares that when they die they will have said "I told you so" in advance.
This is the post that convinced me I didn't want to vote a1s for Day 1. Web, Max, NQT, and Fluffe are on a1s. Jim, a1s, and Tric are on Jack. Me and Jack aren't voting anybody. a1s unvotes and just...that's it, waits to die. I don't really see a case where this happens unless a1s is town or a1s is with Jack, but that would mean literally every vote in the game at that point was on a mafia member which is kind of absurd.


Fluffe
#85 - Fluffe doesn't want to vote anybody and thinks voting a1s is a bad idea since they haven't been around.
Null.

#156 - Fluffe is disgruntled that a1s isn't defending themselves or at least giving their view on things when asked.
Null.

#164 - Fluffe votes a1s since they found Jack's mini-outburst townie and are pretty disappointed with a1s' responses so far.
I think this is evidence that Fluffe isn't with a1s. I think Fluffe feels pretty independent here which Web supports later. Honestly in my opinion Fluffe is town as fuck or an amazing newbmafia.


Jack
#87 - Jack scolds Fluffe for not wanting to lynch anyone. Jack says they're "quite happy to eliminate" a1s if they don't show up and thinks it's gonna to suck when they inevitably show up near day end and we all scramble for a new lynch, so we should probably figure out secondary lynches in the meantime.
I think this is soft evidence that Jack isn't with a1s.

#120 - Jack jokingly attacks a1s after a1s votes them back.
This seems...really silly? Tric doesn't like Jack joking and suspects them more for it. This seeeems like evidence that Jack and a1s aren't together. a1s doesn't even know what a readslist is until NQT informs them.

#129 - Jack feels okay lynching a1s since a1s' lack of activity reminds them of their last game where they were scum.
I think this is evidence that Jack isn't with a1s.

#133 - Jack gives reads Town reads are Max, Tric, Fluffe. Neutral reads are NQT, Web, Jim. Suspicious read is Toony. Top suspect read is a1s.
I think this is evidence Jack isn't with a1s unless they're hella bussing for no benefit, especially in this setup. I think they're quite positive of NQT here even though they're in the neutral bracket.

#139 - Jack starts his outburst seemingly out of nowhere.
Jack was pretty calm beforehand, he just gave a reads list, informed a1s how to do a readslist, and stated how town Tric was. After that he starts yelling out of nowhere and says how me, Jim, and NQT are allowed to have fun and he isn't then says the scumteam is Jim and me. I ask Jack if he finds NQT suspicious and Jack kind of gives a non-answer.


NQT
#131 - NQT sarcastically counters Jack's suggestion.
I think NQT is right. Interaction is kind of null to me.

#151 - NQT responds to Jack's outburst by saying there's a nonzero chance it's town-centric and relates to the frustration. He then switches to a1s for the remainder of Day 1.
To be fair Max just said right before how Jack is most likely town which I also agreed with after. What annoys me here is later when I asked Jack about their a1s read they never responded to me until the day was over and I think they were definitely online long enough to at least reply to that. So we have NQT voting Jack and then switching to a1s and then Jack voting a1s for D1 end.


Other

Quote from: TricMagic on February 26, 2023, 06:13:00 pm

Waves in Stem. Knowing I'm a stem doesn't really help, now that I think about it. I'm only suspicious if another died. And probably dead next night, so.. For all this, my suspison is NQT/Jack as the scumteam this time around. No lynch is a perfectly valid idea this early if you think you can get info. Relying on flowers is a valid method.

... Ya know, sometimes, I think you're getting better, and then you do this, and I shake my head.

Quote from: TricMagic on February 26, 2023, 06:13:00 pm

Waves in Stem. Knowing I'm a stem doesn't really help, now that I think about it. I'm only suspicious if another died. And probably dead next night, so.. For all this, my suspison is NQT/Jack as the scumteam this time around. No lynch is a perfectly valid idea this early if you think you can get info. Relying on flowers is a valid method.

Does NQT/Jack make sense as a scum team? I don't think it does.

The funny part is he might be right, and I think Tric is the first person to suspect NQT/Jack here.

Both Web and Jim agreed with my statement here:

Hmm I like NQT's attitude towards Jack.

I think this is soft evidence that NQT's case against Jack contained valid points since three veteran players liked it.


Conclusions?
1. Fluffe is really townie or an amazing newbmafia.
2. It doesn't feel like a1s is with anybody, Tric actually supports this later in D2 here.
3. NQT/Jack seems the most viable in this pool of four players mainly due to Fluffe and a1s not really fitting.
4. Max is an unknown because I ignored them.

Well I watched the Sonic 2 movie like I said I would near the start of the game and now I am here. Let's read through this thread!!

It's not a big deal, but Toony + NQT isn't possible.

Actually, neither is Max + NQT.

Yep, that's true unless NQT is playing dumb but I don't think he is.

Toony, you don't need to claim.  I'm pretty sure we both know everything at this point, and that's why you can see what NQT can't...

Or at least, I have a good guess.

Ye-yeah exactly. I'm three steps ahead of everyone.

I'm glad you probably realize my predicament.

If I unvote you, I'm hard fucking committed, and riding the No Brain Train, which does sound hella fun...

It is the winning move if you trust me. It is statistically the wrong thing to do, but it's actually the correct move here.

Quote from: webadict on March 03, 2023, 01:06:11 pm

Who would you willingly vote?

NQT, Jack, Fluffy, a1s.

Switching back to Toonyman would just feel like backtracking now, and I feel like I shouldn't vote you if I'm not willing to vote him since I put you at the same tier. And also I assume you wouldn't ask me to anyway.

I think you're being honest here. Interestingly, NQT has pursued every other player on your vote list.

Okay, so Max knows...

He probably does, the way he spoke about it seems to imply that he does, if we're seeing the same thing.