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Medical procedures are very expensive. To the point that savings are often not enough to pay them (even with insurance!). I think that other concerns aside, a national healthcare system is fundamental to ensure people get decent healthcare standards.

ER room assistance is not a good example, because in principle you ought to get basic care anywhere, no matter who you are or whether you can pay or not. Otherwise it would be denial of assistance, and punishable by law (and medical colleges as well, likely). It's common sense, too. If you enter an ER unconscious after having had an accident, you wont necessarily be able to identify yourself and/or state what your insurance status is.
I agree actually.  I'm not against Healthcare, but I feel as though there are other things that need to be done to help the situation besides blindly funding anyone.

I also feel privacy of medical information should be top of a list of requirements.  Privacy to the level that the patient determines who has access.  (with stipulation to unlock that data only when the patient is unable to provide the "key")

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I think Libertarianism is so popular in America right now because in the US, we don't have much to show for our tax dollars. Our infrastructure sucks, we still have a ton of poor, and the middle class still has it kind of rough in general. Christ, we're just barely starting to help poor people pay medical bills legitimately instead of sneaking off to a different ER every time their kid gets sick.
Because they don't have the money to pay for it themselves... or they misappropriate funds themselves.  I'm not saying all of them do, but there are kids who would not be seen dead in "Generic Shoe" and their parents over-spend on crap because they give in.  If people buy in their means they can live a much better life.  I've done it and still do it.  I don't have kids today because I can't afford kids today.  I may be considered rich by some of my friends, but it's only because I set aside money and if I couldn't afford something with what I have left... I do without.  I have one friend who lives in a trailer park with his wife and two kids.  He caves in every time his kids ask for a toy.  I can't visit him anymore because there are toys laying all over the place and I can't walk, let alone sit in their trailer.  If they didn't buy all that crap, they'd be able to visit the dentist more than once in a blue moon.  I feel bad for the kids, but I can only blame the parents in that case.  I help them when I can, but I can't rightly go into their home and say, "No more toys until ____."  That's Mom and Dad's job, and I've hinted that to them... I never had that many toys as a kid and maybe that's why:

I consider myself thrifty, but I buy nice things when I know those things will last.  My furniture is over 15 years old.  The couch is showing signs of wear but I'm now just considering buying a new bed, so it will wait.  My sole credit card is paid off and I intend to keep it that way.  It kills me when my friends brag about something they just bought because I know they are going to throw it away in a few weeks for one reason or another.  They laugh at the holes in the couch, but I tell them that it's an extra $800-1000 in my pocket right now that they wouldn't have... and it still holds their weight each and every weekend they come over.

In other nations (like many European nations), taxes are somewhat high but they actually have something to show for it, whether it's good transportation infrastructure, college funding, good health care for its citizens, et cetera. In the US, we have... bureaucracy? Seemingly orders of magnitude more military spending than anyone else on the planet? Waste?
Agree, and it also makes me mad.  We could cut a fraction of that war chest and fund so many programs that need money.  The problem is that (in my opinion) the Congressmen are trying to prove a point: We need more taxes.  We don't need more taxes.  We need properly spent taxes.

The irony is that, in my opinion, the small-government low-taxes quasi-Libertarian crowd tends to support policies which exacerbate the problem. For example, in the recent debt fiasco, Republicans were damn near ready to swallow bleach rather than raise any sort of taxes on anyone, even the very rich, and they think the solution to us not getting much out of our social programs is to cut them even further, to the point where things become even more of a hellhole for those without means.
They only exacerbate the problem because of your next point:
Those people would do well to realize that one reason this situation exists in the US is not because we tax too much, but because we don't tax the right people in the right way.
This is why many Libertarians, while pushing tax cuts, also want audits and spending reform.  The sad part is that the Republicans that want to win this crowd over don't listen to the reform part.  They make blanket cuts.

Now, there's another side of the argument as well.  Take government funded schooling.  If each person is able to use their own paycheck to pay for whatever school they want their child in, government cuts to schooling wouldn't matter because they wouldn't exist.  It would also encourage people to have kids only if they could afford to educate them (...Well, it should, and each parent should be aware what it's going to cost them to have another kid.  I guess you could mandate that all children you have requires a "trust" fund that has $N put in it each month to pay for education expense.  That's the only way I came up with on the fly.  I'm sure there are holes.)  With "free" schooling, parents don't even calculate that cost into raising a child because someone else is paying for it.  (Heck, I'm sure many parents don't even think about the cost to raise a kid because they think the tax deduction is supposed to pay for that... or they just assume someone will help them.)  With parent funded schooling, nobody could use that threat to get funding for their bills with earmarks to benefit their friends.

That's an extreme example, but the logic could apply to any number of social programs.

What doesn't help is the over-emphasis in American society on individualism over collectivism.
I'm not sure this is entirely true.  While you are encouraged to "make it on your own" there is a very serious push on de-centralization of power within that same Libertarian crowd.  It's more of a push to collect in smaller groups.  It promotes competition.  If you live in a town that enacts a new law that you do not appreciate, it's far easier to move to a new town in protest than it is to move to a new country.  An example I posted recently:  There is a vote at the end of this month to remove one of the board member of the HOA I just moved into.  He's abusing his granted power by pushing lawsuits (paid for out of the HOA fees, using his lawyer friend) on the home owners themselves.  (One of them he didn't like the light-gray colored shingles on their roof...)  That's very local corruption and it's going to be very quickly resolved.  Had that been on the state scale, nobody would have noticed the $800+ other fees that were involved in that suit.  The neighborhood might not have even known it was happening because the homeowner might have been afraid of the State... instead, they can file a complaint with all the other residents of the association.

If your mindset is strictly competitive, as is the case with a for-profit institution (especially something like a corporation, where individuals have less influence than cold corporate cultural and bureaucratic mechanisms), then the fact is that it simply doesn't matter to them. Why put poison in milk? Why care if there's poison in your milk, if lack of oversight helps you maximize the bottom line? We've seen this before in history. Five-year-olds working in coal mines, people selling radium water to cure illnesses (this one got less popular after the spokesperson's jaw rotted off, and all kinds of fraud and misbehavior. This is especially easy to do in the modern, global age, because even if you're personally allowing these kinds of decisions (instead of it just being the result of policies and red tape), those decisions are likely affecting people you don't know, don't particularly care about, and will never seen in your life. It's far easier to care about whether or not you're poisoning the wells in the nearby town than care about whether, say, some aspect of your business's practices are indirectly poisoning the wells in a remote village in Africa.
Here, I agree.  I consider myself Libertarian.  I do believe some regulation is required... on business, and in streets and infrastructure.  Anyone that claims Libertarians want a Government so small that it can't provide infrastructure is blatantly lying to push their agenda.

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Other Games / Re: Minecraft - It has blocks.
« on: August 11, 2011, 07:16:35 am »
My guess is that rivers will be "inland strips of standing water."

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And Ohio gets yet another black mark in my book. I know NC allows non-religious "civil service" marriages, because a few of our friends had them (mostly to save money).

I wonder how strict Ohio's definition of "clergy" is. Considering there are religious organizations that exist almost entirely as "mail-order ordination" houses, where you can be ordained for like $50.

Pseudo-edit: Actually, it looks like there are free ordinations available. I might just have to get me one of those. Could be handy to be able to whip out the "I'm a minister" card.
You can get a civil union in Ohio as well... but you can't get Married without the clergy.  The thing about it though, The Federal Government (where all those benefits were) does not recognize civil unions.

Damn, I feel behind on my knowledge of Ohio law here... apparently Common Law marriages are no longer permitted:
Common law marriage in Ohio was abolished effective October 10, 1991
So it looks like the only way to be joined in Ohio is marriage.

Also, didn't mean to say Civil Union (that apparently has a different connotation than I was using.)

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Looks like somebody needs to see the benefits:
Well come on now, let's not forget all those 1,138 benefits the United States government provides to legally married couples.
Doesn't this constitute state enforcement/ endorsement of a religious ceremony?  I mean, sure, you can get married in a nonreligious ceremony, but...

I mean, my parents never married (doesn't make too much difference in the UK) and they've been together longer than many of their divorced friends :P.
You don't need to have the ceremony to be declared married.  A judge can do it.

Edit: Actually, I was wrong... it looks like Ohio requires that you get a certification from some clergy (unless that's changed) ... that sucks.  Basically that would dictate that an Atheist cannot have legal marriage status unless you can convince a clergyman to agree to it.

There are various rules by state.

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Other Games / Re: Minecraft - It has blocks.
« on: August 09, 2011, 03:29:15 pm »
And then people will refer to the games as Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim and Daggerfall.

Just like they already always do.
Not everyone does and you don't seem to realize this. People use the term Elder scrolls, people don't know about the game elder scrolls, they clash and then misunderstanding occur. You have 100's of millions of gamers, it happens.
Meh, it happens, but people move on.  Just like when I say MW, I mean MechWarrior, not Modern Warfare.

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Other Games / Re: Minecraft - It has blocks.
« on: August 09, 2011, 03:27:40 pm »
That line of reasoning is like saying any movie with the words "Stars" or "Wars" in the title would be trying to suck the popularity teat of Star Wars. And in practicality it just doesn't make any damn sense. Asking somebody about "That Stars movie" or "That wars movie" will be met with blank stares, because they are single words that can apply to many different movies. Scrolls follows the same line of twisted logic. Nobody will think of The Elder Scrolls series if you ask them about "That scrolls game."
I was going to say having a movie of game called Dragons ... or Dungeons and having WotC (or whoever owns them now) come after said media... but yeah.

However, I would actually identify the The Elder Scrolls series if you said "That scrolls game."  Mainly because I actually got into the lore of the Elder Scrolls.

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I can't believe I'm going to say this, but let's talk about the law as if it were car theft instead of rape.  (Yes, I realize there's different emotional outcomes, but abstracting the act out of the discussion may bring a more logical conclusion.)
I'm not sure how lowering the magnitude of what we're talking about makes any difference. Misandry and misogyny are both equally reprehensible, no matter how big or small.
I guess it's more of a question of the logic over the actual crime.  Arguing that car theft done to a woman is any different than a car theft done to a man... make sense?

Fuck if that isn't one of the most unbashed terrible objectifying posts I've ever read, I'm outta here.
Sorry you read it that way... I'm simply trying to direct the argument to the false logic that any one sex should be favored in legislation on any matter.

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I can't believe I'm going to say this, but let's talk about the law as if it were car theft instead of rape.  (Yes, I realize there's different emotional outcomes, but abstracting the act out of the discussion may bring a more logical conclusion.)

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It's not lack of food apparently, but lack of money? ...goods? ...social standing? ...?

It's lack of it all and the fact that they're treated as less than people.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that same mentality applies to Irish... does it not?  Aren't they looked down upon by the British?

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No he's right, England has taken a bad turn. Those riot aren't there by chance, and the student's movement , who has been completely ignored, was there for a reason as well.
But they really ought to attack the government directly, instead of doing it at random. The problem is that the political world is completely discredited, and therefore I don't think this movement will politically structure himself.
Now shall we take bet on who will burst next? France or Italy? Or Spain maybe?

Edit : http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/08/07/7292281-the-sad-truth-behind-london-riot Here's a better explanation.

Quote from: Article
Police and local leaders in Tottenham made real progress in improving community relations in the intervening years and that's true about all of Britain. The best way to prevent crime, the theory goes, is to improve the lot of the people, then they won't need to commit crimes. But caught in a poverty and joblessness cycle, young people in many British urban areas have little hope of a better life.
So, as the saying goes... you take care of necessities and people will be happy... I'm not seeing it.  All I see is more greed as pointed out here:
The riots are clearly nothing to do with hating the police, or the government, or anything else.  If you look at a map of the riots, all the targets are basically shops with stuff that people might want to steal (unless JD Sports, H&M and Tesco are somehow symbols of the government's oppression).  It's opportunistic theft and vandalism on a grand scale (with some random attacks on the emergency services thrown in).
The crime isn't directed at groceries for food, etc.

So I have to ask if providing the needs of the poor the basics to live is the solution to reducing crime? (as many claim)  There's obviously some resentment going on here.  It's not lack of food apparently, but lack of money? ...goods? ...social standing? ...?

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Got to agree about the riots. I guess some are in for the "fun" of being criminal without being responsible as everybody else is doing it too, some are doing it for pragmatic reasons like looting and some just are angry at something.
Mob mentality has been highly studied... there are various sources as to why people do it.  The real question is why it started.

Also, on the topic of tag... it's a game both sexes can play, fairly.  Heck, my niece likes to chase me around the house to tag me... when I'm tagged, I turn around and let her run and vice-versa.  It's a fun game for kids... and it's good exercise!

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I said you can prevent people from doing it.  Since it's clearly against the law and so easy to catch people who do it, it doesn't generally happen.
Sure, but that doesn't require censoring hate speech.

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You mean all speech?  There's still no way to know that "wheat" implies "death" when someone writes that word to someone else.  That's my argument.  You can't filter out hate speech.
For instance, you can prevent people from making mass calls to violence in newspapers.
I cannot recall this being a headline in any newspapers in recent years.  Can you direct me to where this is happening?

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I just bought a house and I got a letter on my mailbox the other day.  At the end of this month there is a vote to oust one of the HOA board members.  The simple fact that I got a letter with reasons and complaints (with the owners of said complaints) makes me want to find out more.

IE: A simple letter drive does invoke action.

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