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GCS: aren't the "baby" GCS just CS? And how does making the GCS intelligent affect the player? Also, spiders don't have any lore around them concerning domestication: they catch in webs and eat hapless intruders.

River Lairs: Would these be water filled? Would they be connected to the river already? If not: what has the !Carp! been eating?

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These are both avenues that could be developed more into solid additions. However just making an inside carp joke has about as much impact on the game as making an inside elephant joke. The race of intelligent spiders is something I have been trying to work out as well, but they need to have a unique identity other than "is bad for you". Otherwise we gain nothing over the already well implemented GCS lairs.

Actually the idea of associating specific skills to specific stats makes perfect sense...and would actually retroactively confirm one the great myths of DF (soooo many new players actually think that crafters gain agility, miners gain strength etc)

As far as a redo of this process (brainstorm and poll) I can think we can do it anytime we feel like it. I'm for waiting until next major (non letter) release. We play it for a bit, see what he has done, then start talking. Like Draco18s pointed out, only 3 of 10 have been planned to be addressed.

It would be nice if Toady would give us his opinion on the list...even in brief
IE (and not related to our list)
1. planned
2. planned
3. Memory hog
4. No idea on how to implement.
5. Don't like it
6. Impossible
7. Will break arc
8. planned
9. Donate more
10. Worship me

In the meantime, maybe we could flesh out some of this list like we're doing for UD.

Under my concept the quality of the medication/skill of the healer would augment the chance. Shortening the healing time is good too, but is a lot more difficult to balance. Take for example missle weapons. Toady admitted at one point that mediocre marksdwarves with really good crossbows could shoot like legendaries. the equivalent here with shortened healing time is the possibility of wonderdrugs that heal virtually instantly, whereas if they only increase the chance to heal per unit of time, then you just get a guaranteed heal.

@Brendan: It will take two caregivers to help poor wounded Urist do a keg stand, however.

I'm much more comfortable with the new revision, but still think the better way is just to fix the dance. Somehow the job creation system needs to evaluate the pathing for violation of the "no dwarves/only soldiers outside" command. If it worked it would make us all happy, I beleive. But... if that doesn't happen, then this is a good workaround.

Maybe some sort of horror rating system.

IE a raccoon is a 3, a giant tiger a 15.

Individual dwarves would have personality traits that adjust their reaction, as would conditions like being a soldier, being legendary, being a child,  being enraged or in a martial trance. Cowards and children would run from a raccoon. Urist McBadass and his idiot cousin won't run from a dragon.

to hit that "fish out of water" aspect, you could have a few extra tags.

[SCARY:X] - the default scary factor, applies to anything on solid ground, exposed to air.
[SCARY_WATER:X] - overides the above
[SCARY_MAGMA:X] etc

Thinking about it, Kobolds might fit into the Olmen/Magmamen/whatevermen catagory... should they be treated the same as them, but simply be able to survive in more environments, or what?

I don't follow you. Kobolds are currently far more advanced than any ____man race.

On the subject of housekeeping: In a week or so I am going to convert this into a poll (so we can get an idea of which features are more popular.) Most of my blurbs are intentionally vague for brevity. If anyone thinks they can write up a short (4-5 forum line paragraph) description of any of these that is better, feel free to post it. Barring objections it will replace what I wrote. Only one real rule here: suggest, don't demand. It could, not should. It might, not must.

I'm going to flesh out ratmen based on the suggestions made. I'm also adding a desire I had earlier tonight to have dirt inside a cavern. The two have a bit of synergy (since if ratmen are subterranean and burrow in dirt, having dirt in caverns makes a natural habitat)

Your combination idea is a good one, but there should be a bit more variety then 'common item' and 'not so common item'.  There should be a bit of variety, and the more common ingredients might be needed in bulk.  So say you need one golden salve for your spine healing junk, but you'd need 20+ quarry bush paste or whatever other item needs to be combined.  Also, it would be nice if these things would stack with magical healing to be able to do just about anything short of raising the dead, i.e. restoring lost limbs and such.  This should require insane amounts of skill both in mundane and magical abilities, though.

I kept it vague just to illustrate concept. When dealing with frequency issues you really need a pyramid structure (IE 4x Common, 3x Uncommon, 2x Rare, 1x Very Rare) otherwise common = unlimited supply and the only thing that matters is the rare stuff. The combinations of drugs available would then be highly location dependant. Perhaps our fort has ready access to drugs to treat poisions and bleeding, but we lack the one uncommon plant needed in all recipes to mend bones. Since it is uncommon...we might be able to trade for some, but it will be expensive.

The recipes themselves would not be universally known either. They would have to be traded for (under the ....drum roll.... recipes entry on the trade screen).

I included the limits I'd like to see (except I forgot to put in a stop bleeding)...I think resurrection and organ/limb regeneration should not be possible. A blind dwarf should stay a blind dwarf. Urist "Lefty" McMaimed will just have to choose to carry a shield OR an ax. (this btw is key for the Powergoal mentioning a prosthetic arm).

Anything greater belongs in the magic arc.

As far as removing conditions/wounds, I think the process should be that a caregiver should give the proper tincture to a wounded dwarf once in a given recovery cycle. For instance, if a yellow wound checks for healing at season change (or X days), the dwarf gets a dose every season (or every X days). The medication increases the chance the wound will heal. This mirrors the current system I think.

This of course assumes that you, the benevolent mountain god, have ordered the production of a sufficient stock of said tinctures.