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Let's first make sure that grass regrows faster than trees...

This is a quite valid explanation.
would you rather have better military, a logical method for handling stone dumping, and rebalancing of the flawed features that make the game 'too easy' to some. (mods anyone?) a better way to manage your dwarfs professions, a refinement of the way that war, diplomacy, advanced mechanics, defence, economy, the noble system, and world simulation.

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or tedious, time consuming waste management.
(basically what orius said.)

Nobody was talking about prioritizing waste management above all these other aspects of the game; the poll was about whether to include it at all. Timing is up to Toady to decide, based on technical expediency.

If you'll look at this thread or any other thread about this, you'll see that that is the problem: Evidently, we can't.

That didn't make Toady put an [INVULNERABLE] tag on innocent civilians or peaceful mermaids.

I can't believe I have to say that, but then again, I can't believe anybody would take that poll seriously.

Certainly not on its own, but it seems to illustrate the stalemate between the two sides of the debate well.

I knew I had written something, and I just needed the keyword "liability", so there:

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=54899.msg1180156#msg1180156

Quote from: Silverionmox on February 05, 2012, 02:04:41 pm

- Lists are bad because they don't focus the discussion.
- Many of the listed points are as old as this forum and don't need repeating (eg. engrave constructed walls).
- Many of the points are known bugs. Check the bug tracker.
- Some of the points are already in the game (e.g. disallow booze cooking).

Most of the points left are balancing issues, and then there are one of two that deserve mention. But you can't expect everyone do dig them out: the suggestions forum would be more useful without this post.

Actually I think it's more that the suggestion forum is better off without people telling other people to not post suggestions.

If certain ideas keep popping up, there is probably a good reason for that. not all ideas deserve equal opportunities, the most popular ones should go first. Don't you agree?

There's the eternal suggestion list for the pop poll (stickied).

At least show you're aware which ones are already recorded, and if possible add something new. If you don't want to slough through a list of other people's ideas, why should they do so with yours? However, feel free to do thread necromancy if you want to bring an idea to attention again, or want to comment on it.

And yes, adding reiterative posts that aren't focused do increase the noise-to-signal ratio of the forum, making it less effective and wasting Toady's time. I'd rather have him squash a bug than reading this thread.

It just struck me that this idea could as just as well be applied to make the underground tunnel structure better viewable. With the above progressive darkening of deeper tiles active, we just need a toggle to make all stone transparent (for viewing purposes) (or at least a few dozen levels, a black bottom is necessary). That way, you would get a view from the top down on all your tunnels, as if they were hanging in the air. A sideward view is possible with minimal adaptation of the same algoritms.

Let me get this straight.

We have dwarves that eat only once every six weeks in this game but people are worried that that lack of sex and excretion hurt realism?

Fortress mode runs on compressed time by necessity. That doesn't mean elementary cause and effect can be forgotten. Especially not in a game that tracks every dragonfly ichor spatter cause by cats hunting.