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I think that it might be a good idea to track poop for animals, but just have the game assume that sentients are capable of cleaning up after themselves. That way you could have things like fertilizer, weaponization, irrigation, etc. without immersion-breaking details like dwarves pooping in the middle of combat.

Just like happens now with sleeping, eating and drinking in the middle of combat you mean? :/ That needs work, but I don't see a problem otherwise with some regular watercloset visits, preferably right after dinner or before bed.

Quote from: Silverionmox on January 30, 2012, 11:43:55 am

Quote from: Troopperi on January 30, 2012, 09:46:48 am

Reports:

"Urist McLadiesboy is having sex"

And after that veeeeery accurate description of that.

Nice idea guys.

Never crossed my mind.

I would not play a DF version where that was possible.

Chances of that going in are nil, if only for the work required. It still wouldn't force you to read them. But rest assured that amourous involvement will be in, as it is a fundamental drive in many stories. We'd never have the Illiad and the Odyssee, were it not for dozens of bearded, bronze-clad warriors lusting after Helen of Troy's hot tush.

I recommend this game to my friends because I feel certain that it's never going to descend to that kind of thing.  And I know that at least a significant minority of other players feel the same way.

But pus, vomit, hallways lined with rotting corpses, systematic civilian execution for fun, concentrations camps of sentients for profit, and non-stop carnage are all ok?

Plus, there's only 1 sucubus mod, vs 2-3 Warhammer 40K mods. I think the point is clear - DF players don't play DF for this.  And at least a few of us play it specifically because it doesn't include this.

That's 25% that does want more of the succubus stuff, if you want to go by that metric :p. Anyway, I'm mainly in favour of this for the closing of the nutrient cycle and some synergy with other industries, let's not needlessly conflate issues, even if some people have trouble keeping their defecation and copulation separate.

Reports:

"Urist McLadiesboy is having sex"

And after that veeeeery accurate description of that.

Nice idea guys.

Never crossed my mind.

That reminds me: There are certain common announcements, especially job cancels, which should be zoomable to but aren't. Examples are:
- Urist has created a masterpiece.
- Urist has become a recruit.

In addition, the various stages of caravan presence aren't all available to pause the game upon. Especially the one where "the caravan from ... is leaving soon" would be very useful if you let DF run in the background.

Knowing this community, the instant body waste is implemented we will have threads with such titles as:

"How to maximize dwarven urination? I need more tannery chemicals!"

"My dwarves are shitting all over the dining hall omg!"

"Why won't my dwarves haul shit to the farm?!?"

"Hey when did they implement poop?"

"LOL i modded elves to shit rainbows"

Apparently the poo problem lies with the community, not the game, with or without feces. Why aren't you complaining also about the people killing traders for fun, or farming merfolk for profit? Because that's exactly the same phenomenon.

I don't want dwarf fortress to be half about dealing with shit. which is exactly what this suggestion would do to the game. (seeing goonstation players in here honestly doesn't reinforce the 'for' side of the argument.)

I don't see how goonstation players affect your game... unless you are one yourself.

For example, you designate a defecation zone. If it's in a river, preferably downstream your drinking zone. If it's in the woods, you might need to zone a new one once every five years if your population is large. You might have more dwarves annoyed by flies. But that's about it: no more than you need to do to to provide water, just in the reverse, and similarly with the option to dig a well, but in the reverse. Most importantly, you'd get the option to build a compost pile building, that spontaneously deconstructs into a few items of fertilizer after a four or five months (automated like render fat would be nice). It really wouldn't be much more than this in a basic form. I'd prefer to add the liquid, for the tanner and various chemical applications, too.

Right now the flow rate is either 0 or 7. I see no reason why we can't have a variety of flow rates. For a challenge, we could let them go as high as 15 or so.

Quote from: Yoink on January 22, 2012, 06:39:26 am

Ineed, it really goes to show how strange our society is these days... A movie can include people being gunned down in droves, decapitated and split open by battleaxes and only garner an M or MA rating, but one graphic sex scene? Oh noes!

Actually, unnecessary violence pisses me off just as much as unnecessary sex. That's why all violence that takes place in my forts is completely and unquestionably justified.

As much as some people may not want to hear it, there is a point in games where realism must be sacrificed for fun. I'm sorry, but managing dwarf shit isn't what most people would consider a fun and exciting activity.

The same can be said for any part of the game. It's the combination that makes it fun.

Besides, you'll probably just have to designate a different kind of dump zone, where the dwarves will go to once in a while. Downstream of the drinking zone, preferably. That's all the effort you have to make. It's a well in reverse.