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@Hedgerow:
There's two groups of players that can narrow down the setup on D1.

1. The town PRs, whether there's one or two they can't talk in private
2. The mafia, who can talk in private

Your argument against Roden, from what I can understand, is that they have additional info that vanilla townies wouldn't have. Is this a line worth pursuing solely? You're completely devoted to mechanics and analyzing the setup instead of just scumhunting.

How do you feel about the players? Who's scum for reasons other than possibly having additional knowledge?

EuchreJack is scum for just giving it to Roden over and over again; that much is clear.
Everyone else seems about normal.  Can't really complain.  Just a regular townie doing regular townie things.
Roden would give the advantage to the mafia though.  There's no good reason to put the BP out there and he was sure enough to pin him or his partner as a role.

So, there are a few ways to look at this.

Roden was so sure there was a BP player at the start of the game that he gambled and asked for him to come out, which EuchreJack agreed with, and pushed for, and then fought back against the suspicion, knowing no BP came forward.  Assuming that isn't completely true, which a townie would never gamble on, especially if it wasn't a BP, because that would leave two key roles, one of which would be risky to keep around and the other completely invalidated by the roleblocking mafioso.

So, assuming it was a gamble, and the doctor would never sell out, I'm going to change my vote to Roden.

Kinda cool.  I think the cigarette helped me with that.

Thing is, he had the advantage were he a townie, and he basically gave them one fewer turns to win were he a townie.  What's odd is the important role would find a way to be subtle getting rid of him, because he'd inevitably be a mafioso.

So I mean, no matter how we look at it, if we have a BP - and we do have a BP, I imagine - because someone went on and on about it.  The alternative is something else entirely, and depends entirely on how they eliminated the choices.

But we do know that we either have a tracker or a roleblocker, and I'd go with the latter because someone who I thought wasn't the mafia decided to apply 'pressure'.

Roden sounds like a townie to me, but on the offchance he isn't, someone can just tag him and see what he does.  Best of luck to the guy with the shirt.  Thing is, in that setup, he'd either be letting townies know about clandestine mafia activities with the tracker or ignoring the guy who'd literally have every opportunity to save a life, since the jailkeeper prevents a night kill by the mafia, and the pool either gets smaller (unlikely), the mafia ignores the grander pool (to which the jailkeeper's kill blocking is ineffective), or we have a tracker who wouldn't have wanted guys to ignore EuchreJack, since he was right on plan with that to a disturbing degree.

So that means Roden is a role or knows someone with a role, and I imagine only the mafia would know each other's role.  That being said, I can't assume they'd go for the mathematically-distinct approach, but the stylistic one, and I don't harbor ill will to any guy who wants to keep his vest under his shirt.  At its most effective, it tanks a bullet.  I mean, that's the approach I'd go for, and whether the mafia will stylistically kill one guy or we just save the townie, I'd probably vote towards the latter, and I don't know if Roden is a mafioso, a jailkeeper, or if he can't find the doctor, assuming there's a doctor, which there's no guarantee there's a doctor.  Maybe he couldn't find a doctor?  I imagine the doctor, like the potential jailkeeper, would want to keep his identity secret, since he would be targeted.

And that's the best I can do.  Knowing the way this game is going, I hope you guys figure it out.  I have to smoke a cigarette in a few hours or I'm gonna be pacing.

PR is short for Power Role, or a role that has an ability.

In this setup the possible town PRs are Jailkeeper, Cop, Doctor, 1-shot Bulletproof, and Tracker. For mafia they could have a Roleblocker and that's it.

  I sure wish I was the bulletproof townie.

I was trying to keep the pressure on Hedgerow so they might give me something-

I sure hope no one ever loses because EuchreJack puts pressure on them.   

Magma Mater

Quote from: Magma Mater on June 25, 2021, 10:28:49 am

1. How much mafia experience would you say that you have?
2. Do you consider yourself good at the game?
3. What's your preference, town or wolf?
4. How would you describe your playstyle?

1. Most of my experience is on these forums - so with roughly close to ten games under my belt - albeit I have far more experience as mafia than town.
2. Fuck no.
3. Weirdly enough, mafia - albeit that doesn't mean I want to be it all the time.
4. Reserved until I get a trail - I like to lay back, wait for picking breadcrumbs from other players, then push players I get suspicious of. That's usually why I don't post much the first hours of the game.

Magma Mater - would you prefer a doctor or a bullet-proof in this setup?

Euchrejack

Quote from: EuchreJack on June 26, 2021, 03:39:23 pm

Read list:


Confirmed Town: EuchreJack - Let me see, yup still town
Slightly town: prefuzek - scumhunting and calling me out for not doing enough of it

Null team:
Roden.
Rolan7
Magma Mater
webadict
ToonyMan[Veteran Player]

Scum team:
BluarianKnight - Blue is always scum
hedgerow - Awaiting a response that might convince me they're not scum

First off - I feel like this is far from a readlist. At best you've confirmed yourself and another player as town on your list (the equal number of a mafia-team) while avoiding and leans downward. No comment on any of the other players past scum team.

You put me on here just because of my luck;

Quote from: EuchreJack link=topic=178609.msg8290220#msg8290220 date=1624654455
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@Blue:[/b] Did you roll scum again?

This doesn't make me feel better about assumptions - you asked then smacked me on, which means you're reaching.
Don't know why yet, but.. I dunno. Poor readlist, just confusing.
It does have one good point on it though.

Hedgerow:

Quote from: hedgerow on June 26, 2021, 09:36:25 am

EuchreJack.

I'd say the BP is irrelevant.  The hackers are going to win you over with flirtatious misinformation and forked reasoning.  We should eliminate anyone who buys into the townie-killing narrative, first.

Your first post is a vote against Euchre, why?

As well, your narrative of 'eliminate anyone who buys into townie-killing narrative' is.. first off, confusing - I'm maybe misreading but I don't know what that means, but second, it's aggressive. It feels like you want to put someone on the chopping block for any reason you can muster.

Newbie town can hunt, but full-out 'vote whoever' is a mafia tell, at least for me. I'm willing to remove my vote if you prove me wrong, and give me a reason/explanation.

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A quick list of reads;

I like Magma Meter's plays - no aggression, decent questions for a first start. I get town vibes.
Toony is Toony - god as my witness, I still can't read them to save my life. Mentor role might make them seem more town then worth, but for now town for me.
Pref's hunting is pretty good in my eyes - townlean.

I don't like hedgerow's quick aggression - want to see something from him to prove me wrong. Scum most likely for now.
Euchre rubs me wrong - tiny scumlean.

Null for everyone else!

i don't know. Can't do much else, everyone else null for now, Open and ready to deal with anything.
Problems or otherwise - blue's down to do some mafia.

Because we might have a tracker, and because they'll just ignore the BP and hunt down the other townies for a quick win.  The idea that they'll even target the BP when they're trying to not lose their data is ridiculous.  Just for entertaining that line of thought for a second, you're already spilling suspicious.

Well, really 2 more people if you guys show up. (Referring to the sent pm.)

Web, you're veteran enough to give green-text advice right?

Welcome to the subforum Magma Mater. Try not to meltdown in the face of web shenanigans. 

In!