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Messages - Neonivek

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: D. C. on summer break
« on: August 26, 2017, 05:50:33 pm »
Quote from: ChairmanPoo on August 26, 2017, 05:49:30 pm
You've been on full-time apologetics for racist and fascists for a few months now. Really, it's becoming tiresome.

I am apologizing for Joe?

I am sorry I am not a hate filled pile of pus whose first instinct is just to immediately turn on someone by reputation alone.

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I am tired of all this terse as soon as I don't immediately jump on the hate bandwagon and actually want to know a few things OR immediately do not trust a situation on face value.

But... Where have I seen this style of argument before... The kind where if you don't immediately side with them then you are excusing it... I feel like I've seen that argument on the Left before...

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: D. C. on summer break
« on: August 26, 2017, 05:44:21 pm »
Quote from: Frumple on August 26, 2017, 05:35:36 pm
Fucking hell neo, the piece of shit functionally tortured people, left them out in conditions that should have constituted attempted murder, and spent better than twenty goddamn years systematically abusing minorities and the integrity of his office with everything that entails, among all the other shit I'm forgetting because you don't lack for examples when it comes to goddamn arpaio.

Him not literally dragging people out in the street and personally executing them means jack all.

It is MOSTLY because for some of that Joe is the easy scapegoat. We don't have to be too introspective because it was all Joe Von Racist pants. THAT is the part I want to cut through.

I don't blame Joe for the Prison itself. So I don't blame him for anything that involved just the prison aspect itself.

I won't make any apologies for him ignoring due procedure and probably actually racist mind you.

But it seems more like the circumstances that surrounded him amplified the bad until it seems hitler level.

Quote from: SalmonGod on August 26, 2017, 05:37:54 pm
But someone getting hit with a bike lock once, a few people getting punched in the face, and a few people losing their jobs (half of which no one here voiced any support of) is equated with everyone being in favor of witch hunts, home invasion, and murder.

That's my point.  Astronomical double standards of evidence and behavior.

The REASON I brought it up back then was to show what prosecution over what is inside someone's mind is.

But if you think all there is, is people getting hit once or lost their jobs... Well... You live in a much better world than this one... Can I join you?

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: D. C. on summer break
« on: August 26, 2017, 05:34:03 pm »
You should make a point then :P

Easy to miss something that doesn't exist.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: D. C. on summer break
« on: August 26, 2017, 05:30:06 pm »
Quote from: SalmonGod on August 26, 2017, 05:28:40 pm
Quote from: Neonivek on August 26, 2017, 05:12:13 pm
Yes. Can you show me where he was convicted of murder?

Just the facts please.

I'm saving this for the next time the supposedly horrible violence of the radical left comes up for debate.

You know... like next time we're talking about how nazis should be confronted when they organize in public, and you respond with stuff like "Yes, we should murder everyone we don't agree with in their homes."

I already looked it up. He killed no one.

But if you want some horrible violence from the radical left I have enough of that for days. Trust me, I've been holding back mostly because no one wants to watch people getting hurt.

THAT and it is the same deflection every time: "Ohh they are just extremists and outliers", which honestly I should use that on Nazis next time :P

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: D. C. on summer break
« on: August 26, 2017, 05:25:58 pm »
https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=Joe+Arpaio+convicted+of+murder&oq=Joe+Arpaio+convicted+of+murder&gs_l=psy-ab.3...493447.507458.0.507927.30.30.0.0.0.0.245.3022.16j12j1.29.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..1.18.2072...0j0i131k1j0i67k1j0i46i67k1j46i67k1j0i3k1j33i160k1j33i21k1.a8q5zh-0Yuc

Yeah my research gets nothing Dunamisdeos. Also court cases involving lawmakers are not unusual... if he arrests someone he will be involved.

If a police officer needs to use force they will also be on the case.

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Secondly, a large number of the inmates were NOT illegal immigrants

Yeah, I honestly thought they were MUCH worse, but after research this isn't about the illegal immigrant internment camps.

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Thirdly, a number of people who were never even sent to were physically abused

Can we have a translation?

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You are missing part of the reason it became overcrowded in the first place: Arpaio had his officers detain people on suspicion of being illegal immigrants, in some cases for 18 months, when the proper procedure is in fact to turn them over to federal authorities. A judge, having examined the particulars of this practice, determined that Arpaio's conditions for suspecting someone of illegal immigrant status constituted racial profiling.

But not criminally. But yes that is a problem indeed.

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But profiling doesn't get you to "HITLER" levels.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: D. C. on summer break
« on: August 26, 2017, 05:21:09 pm »
In all fairness the lack of heat control was a serious issue. Though TO MY KNOWLEDGE there was nothing Joe could do about that. It is up to private parties or the federal government to build new prisons.

Though from what I read, they also dispensed towels... Had cool spots, and AC showers. (though that is likely because they would have been shut down on the spot without those)

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: D. C. on summer break
« on: August 26, 2017, 05:12:13 pm »
Quote from: Dunamisdeos on August 26, 2017, 05:10:38 pm
If by "of his own volition" you mean "was aware of and supported their existence" then yes. There was a court case on the matter.

It still wouldn't matter, that's like saying Hitler didn't push the gas button so he's in the clear. He was aware of and supported the actions taken under his authority.

He supported illegal immigrants being sent to concentration camps in order to remove them... and how is this racism?

Or did he go on a tirade on how filthy Mexicans were at the same time? Which isn't entirely unlikely.

Edit: Just did my research. This isn't about the Illegal Immigrant Concentration camps? Huh... This is an emergency prison camp... that was never fixed...

Quote from: misko27 on August 26, 2017, 05:11:14 pm
Is a conviction in a court of law sufficient evidence Neo?

Yes. Can you show me where he was convicted of murder?

Just the facts please.

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Here we go... This is what I gathered so far.

So the "Concentration Camp" was built as an emergency provision against overcrowding, it was meant to be temporary but due to "America Sucks" there was never any alleviation and so it was up for 20 years.

The main issue with it versus any ordinary prison (It isn't Rotten) is that it gets exceptionally hot and the majority of the prison is an outdoor prison.

Otherwise it acts like an ordinary prison.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: D. C. on summer break
« on: August 26, 2017, 05:08:29 pm »
Only saying that him recognizing that these things are concentration camps, doesn't mean he is murdering people.

But do you have some evidence he was the one who created these concentration camps entirely on his own volition?

I only want the facts not the "Racism, Sexism, Homophobia" song. Regardless of how bad it makes you feel that I am not immediately pinning someone you personally dislike to a wall on just hearing that he ran the state concentration camps.

Since frankly... The second people start singing the chorus of "Racism, Sexism, Homophobia", chances are they are being less than objective... Or shall we get out White Supremacist Toddler again?

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: D. C. on summer break
« on: August 26, 2017, 04:50:09 pm »
Quote from: EnigmaticHat on August 26, 2017, 04:14:42 pm
What world do you live in that looks like an effective summary of the quote?

I was separating it from an "Internment camp". Those are the two conditions that separate it from a concentration camp.

Since let me give you the same definition... REMOVE the conditions I ALREADY listed AND the fluff / "Sometimes"
-Fluff is meant to HELP put context into what someone might mean when they use the word. Hence why the definition of sexism refers to women even though it can apply to both.

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a place where large numbers of people are imprisoned

And there you go.

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The problems that me and others in this thread have with Joe Arpaio's self proclaimed concentration camp, is literally every single thing about a concentration camp except the one thing Neo chose to quote

In other words bringing history into it. Past transgressions and transplanting it onto what is currently happening whether or not it applies.

It being a concentration camp is serious... But it isn't "Mass execution, slave labor, whipping" serious (or if it is... What the heck happened?)

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Other Games / Re: A Thread about the Pokemans: The ULTRASun and ULTRAMoon Rises
« on: August 26, 2017, 02:07:47 pm »
If there is one thing that is sometimes weird to me...

Is pokemon that are balanced for level 1 but who will never appear into way later.

Semi-Legendaries TYPICALLY aren't anything special until they get to their third evolution, but you will be hard pressed to find them before you get to the levels to get their third evolution.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: D. C. on summer break
« on: August 26, 2017, 01:35:44 pm »
Quote from: greatorder on August 26, 2017, 10:46:21 am
Apparently he was actually prideful of them when he called them concentration camps. If that's true, shows what kind of character he is.

Because they kind of are concentration camps... Though I think the SPECIFIC term for them is "Internment Camp"

If you are wondering what makes something a Concentration Camp
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relatively small area with inadequate facilities

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Other Games / Pokemon Insurgence: High-Quality Fanmade Pokemon game
« on: August 26, 2017, 12:31:51 pm »
Hello and welcome to the world of Pokémon Insurgence.

https://p-insurgence.com/

I am aware some of you have played Pokémon Omicron and Zeta, but what if the same team worked on an even better game? What if that game was better constructed, had less fakemon, and the story wasn't half-troll half-serious? Well that is Pokémon Insurgence.

Features
-All Pokémon from Red and Blue all the way to Black 2 / White 2. Sorry Sun and Moon lovers but the Devs spoke.
-HM Items: Don't want to cart around HM slaves? No more!
-Trade Pokémon can be evolved without trading.
-Delta Pokémon: Their appearance, types, and moves are rearranged making them a familiar yet different beast altogether.
-New Megas
-Don't want Non-official Mega Pokémon OR Deltas?: There is an option for fidelity that will avoid them.
-Online Features: Mystery Gifts, Trading, Wonder trade, Battling, Friend Safari
-Challenge Runs: Nuzlock, Randomized mode, Egg Mode (instead of catching and using pokemon, you replace them with random eggs), and more
-Difficulty Modes: The game is tougher than typical Pokémon games but rest easy there are three difficulty modes: Easy, Normal, and Hard.

Don't care about Spoilers? Here is the Official Wiki
https://wiki.p-insurgence.com/Main_Page

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Want extra pokemon for your start?

I can obtain any pokemon, MOST with any ability you wish, and trade it to you at level 1 or higher if you so need.

I cannot trade Delta Pokémon yet. I'll edit and post when I can.

Don't feel guilty about asking for your favorites, as great as Pokémon Insurgence is, it can hold off on pokemon far longer than it would have been useful to.

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General Discussion / Re: The Unpopular/Controversial Ideas Thread.
« on: August 26, 2017, 10:22:27 am »
Her quote was more: "Men are like dogs, they will sleep around, but they will always come home" or something along those lines.

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General Discussion / Re: The Unpopular/Controversial Ideas Thread.
« on: August 26, 2017, 10:13:26 am »
replace the first male with make.

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General Discussion / Re: The Unpopular/Controversial Ideas Thread.
« on: August 26, 2017, 09:43:58 am »
Why does this male Hillary's "Men are like dogs" quote somehow accurate in retrospect... (well ignoring the male aspect)

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