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Where's the cc? Where's the tankiness? That team would collapse if they got looked at funny, never mind have time to kill anything.

CC you have Karthus wall and Hecarim, Karthus is the front-line for damage and because of Karthus doing damage while he is dead it allows Hecarim to get huge heals and basically be unkillable while his spirit of dread is on, during this time you have Fiddle silencing everyone and crowstorm for tons of damage and Cait and Kata to pretty much finish everyone else off. It pretty much doesn't matter if Karthus collapses and Hecarim is super annoying to kill.

Hecarim has super mobility so he can always catch someone, also the advantage of having a strong team fight comp is that you can just group up and siege up towers so you force the enemy team to group up, if they try and split push it makes tower diving that much easier and Caitlyn traps make it a bitch to try and defend towers because the moment someone gets trapped then they get all the damage.

The main targets to kill in the comp are Kata, Cait and Fiddle but Kata can easily avoid damage as she has super mobility with her shunpo, fiddle has his fear so only Cait can get in a bit of trouble but during the time it takes to kill Cait it is enough time for rest of team to do lots of damage and then kata to clean up.

Risk of rain?

Yup will be nice to see the campaign map and other meat in the game.

1 suggestion though would be floating damage numbers on hits, can be red for hits on health and blue for hits on armour, this makes it easier to show how much damage is done and also gives a nice indicator if it was a hit or miss.

Neostead? It's not an auto-shotgun though

Veigar is pretty weak early game anyway, he should be getting ganked by your jungler a lot, but make sure both you and your jungler ward the enemy jungle, vs a good enemy team they will have their jungler ready for a counter-gank, if you have vision on the enemy jungler then you can try and time ganks on veigar, he has really low health so is quite easy to tower-dive especially if you have a good tower diving jungler like Lee or Elise.

He can snowball hard if he gets to farm safe so don't let him farm safe, get your jungler to set-up a tent and make his tower a camping ground.

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New patch will make Spellthief's Edge more common I think, I do like that the first level works with spells now instead of having to upgrade it, Relic Shield is interesting as well now, the laning partner doesn't get bonus gold but you both get the heal now, but I think Spellthief's Edge or Coin will still be the items of choice for supports as Spellthief will make taking down towers even quicker.

Doran's Shield is more balanced now assuming they are keeping the passive (isn't explicit on notes but I doubt they would remove the passive as well as nerf health and regen), might not be an instabuy on top lane and support now, depending on build path ruby crystal might see more lvl 1 start. And boots of mobo will not be used at all, I can't understand why they did that huge nerf on it, 25 speed in combat is silly now, basically you can catch up to a fight but once your in it then everyone else can escape, if they buffed the out of combat speed then maybe it makes more sense but now I don't expect to see it being used.

I'm fairly happy with all the changes to champions but I think they still need to focus on stealth champs and vision, stealth champs are still pub-stomping like crazy.

1) I didn't say don't get LW on Vayne, im just saying out of all the AD carries LW is less of a necessity on her then on others.
2) Vayne doesn't need LW, other ADC's need LW vs an armour team, Vayne doesn't, a Bloodthirster/Phantom Dancer can easily replace LW and still kill Tanks just as easily.

To be honest I prefer getting a Trinity Force instead of LW to make kiting so much easier and the distance you can run while invisible after tumble is hilarious, doesn't mean that LW is bad on Vayne though, it's quite useful as it does make tumble hits much more effective, but then again a Trinity Force tumble proc also does a lot of damage. Overall I prefer doing slightly less damage for increased survivability.

My point is that there are other games which are quite similar, especially in terms of combat and dialogue RPG'ness. DF is an incredibly unique game, the only reason the new DF-like games are doing ok is because they put a lot of effort into presentation. If Gnomoria/Towns/TimbernStone/etc... was ASCII I doubt it would be popular and I doubt many people would buy it because essentially the gameplay is very similar to Dwarf Fortress and when it comes to gameplay DF does a lot more. So if your going to not break any boundries in gameplay then you should do so in presentation.

Obviously though you are the one with demo access so I can only give opinion on what I can see so far but honestly what I have seen doesn't look that impressive (both gameplay and presentation)

So Early Access arguments aside and all that stuff the game doesn't look that interesting to me. The style of gameplay is nothing new at all and it's similar to quite a few other games with the addition of zombies and although I am an advocate of gameplay over graphics, if your going to do similar gameplay then you should really do much better in presentation.

That being said I haven't tried it or a demo yet, only from what I have seen but it doesn't look great to me yet.