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Someone should add this to the wiki!

Actually, what I did was make a twelve man military and send them in. One casualty, one mobbed ettin who got bolted and beaten and axed to death.

Walls are not as impenetrable as it would seem!

Back in the previous version - unfortunately I have lost the save, as at the moment I did not beleive this was odd at all - I was trying to wall in an ettin who was a resident of a cave I inadverdently built a fortress on, and who had already killed one of my hunters. So I try to build a stone wall around the staircase down. Midway through construction - it was halfway built - the ettin emerges, smashes two parts of the wall, and retreats. It gave me a "wall toppled" message.

Trolls can't do this, I don't think, but be careful of cave residents! They can batter down those walls, I've seen it!

Of course that might have been changed in the current version.

No, because I've heard that causes people to get stuck in midair. And yeah, I figured it out. Z-levels aren't created unless there's a need for them. Which explains to me why those giant eagles are always on the ground - my forts don't have a whole lot of room for them to maneuver.

Or do they? Is it different in fortress mode, I wonder?

Adventure mode is _sweet_, though. Opens up lots of tactical options. You can shoot people from midair, on rooftops, or just generally deal out asskickery one z-level above.

I made a race of sentient flyers, quite nice for a newbie to modding I think... Only now I can only fly up one z level, and if I'm already up one z level (say, on a cliff) I can't fly any higher. Why? I would expect to have a bit more freedom of movement - it's more like awkward hovering as it is now. Then again these guys are sentient and bipedal, so they'd have to have very strong wings to do that.

But how does it work? Is it based on size? Weight? Armor carried? Strength?

Once magic and the like are in you could probably pray by talking to your deity and asking for assistance or guidance, I think.

Quote from: penguinofhonor on July 18, 2008, 03:18:11 pm

Quote from: Jude on July 18, 2008, 03:03:44 pm

I've always wondered why there aren't baths too. Also, toilets - for a game as concerned with nitty-gritty everyday realism as DF, you'd think building a plumbing system to dispose of poo (or at least designating a hole in the ground) would be included.

Toady has already said that the game will not be this nitty-gritty and realistic.

Smashing a child in the torso with his mother's severed leg and having it collapse into a lump of gore, or having a large group of impatient cave-adapted dwarven corpse looters create massive rivers of vomit outside your fortress, that's -- if not tasteful, avant-garde at least.

I think we all know the real reason poo is not going into DF -- the carp bribed Toady to keep it out because otherwise (until throwing damage is toned down) rhesus macaques will take their throne as the most lethal animals in the game.

The spinning *monkey poop* strikes Urist Lokumdastot in the head!
It is smashed into the body, an unrecognizable mess!
Your settlement has crumbled to it's end.
*ten years later, an adventurer has the misfortune of visiting that particular fort, which is now owned by the macaques*
The spinning *monkey poop* strikes You in the body!
Your right lung has been pierced!
Your left lung has been pierced!
Your heart has been pierced!
Your liver has been pierced!
Your spleen has been pierced!
Your pancreas has been pierced!
You have bled to death.
The Rhesus macaque picks up the Iron Shield.
The Rhesus macaque beats Urist Adventurer's corpse over the head with it.

I think people are just calling the elves cannibals for lack of a better term, but I prefer "predator" elves.

Honestly I think elves are cool but unbalanced now. They have their own flavor, but I do NOT see elves as being warlike, swarming towns of 20 with 1472105 elves all of which are ageless and can only die to tragedy or war. They reproduce too fast and don't die of old age - I don't agree with either, unfortunately.

After the initial shock, though, I realized that elves eating the corpses of their foes makes sense. They don't want to eat anything more than neccessary, unlike the humans who eat to keep themselves bloated (in their eyes), or the goblins who kill for pleasure... So eating the corpses of their foes means that they don't have to go out and kill an animal later. Dual purpose - they eat what they kill.

And you could also make a convincing arguement for how they don't want the corpses to decompose, because the corpses of goblins and the like are "impure" and shouldn't be allowed to feed the saplings for fear that they would be poisoned.

The elves in that battle were the Persians, and the humans were the Spartans! This... IS... HUMAN... FORTRESSSSSS!

Seriously, I wish scenarios like that would arise in wars and the like. A few highly skilled, trained troops in a strategic position against a massive but underequipped and underskilled army, ala the Battle of Thermopylae. Or hell, even just other situations like history's last stands, like the Alamo.