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Maybe try going to the website? If you're already on the website and you can't find where to buy the game I'm afraid I can't be of any help. I bought it a long ass-time ago.

Quote from: LeoLeonardoIII on March 27, 2014, 06:41:18 pm

The adapt or die phrase is apt, but overused. What if I used the same example related to natural park space, pollution, or vehicle safety? No, we regulate those things, and that's as it should be.

Ok. What do you propose?

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Cameras have been around for a long time. You could buy little spy cameras and carry them around. Today, after decades of portable cameras, is it ok to sit down to dinner with a camera on your shoulder and record everyone? Won't that make your dining companions a little uncomfortable?

20 years ago, absolutely it would make people uncomfortable. Now? Some people yes, some people no. Loo at BurnedToast's response. Loo at the people who didn't care when Xbox was going to monitor your living room 24/7. Yes, some people complained and Microsoft changed it. Lots of people didn't care and didn't understand why others did. 20 years from now? I think not so much. Again, this is a social change that's going on. People are being trained becoming accustomed to always being monitored.

Our grandparents had to deal with that "awful rock n roll garbage." We get to deal with this.

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At some point we just need to walk around wearing masks. Sure a lot of businesses will turn you away, especially convenience stores and banks. But eventually if everyone cares about privacy some business in a field will gobble up those customers by allowing the masked ones in. Then the rest will follow suit or be outperformed and crumble.

No. People who care about privacy will die eventually. Their children already don't care.

Don't get me wrong. I agree with you. I use an alias online. I seriously considered giving up my driver's license back when they started requiring fingerprints. I no longer fly because of scanners.

But I'm a dinosaur. And so are you.

I think your arguments amount to "humans can become accustomed to any indignity".

As for the rock and roll comparison, I knew someone would go there, and I'll just say that every generation has a problem with the youngsters when it gets old. The adult backlash against rock and roll wasn't a new phenomenon. Is wearing your hair long a statement of rebellion or conformity? The answer depends on what decade or century we're talking about.

I think it's more apt to describe the struggle for the 4th and 5th constitutional amendments in our time as equivalent to the struggle for other "civil rights" amendments in the last two and a half centuries. No that is not an outlandish statement. You do not surveil and enfeeble your population without an evil motive.

So if people don't care about privacy, and let their civil rights slip into disuse and obscurity, then in their ignorance and sloth they have betrayed all the people who struggled for abolition of slavery, integration and equal protection under the law, and universal suffrage. It will be interesting to see if democracy can exist in anything but name when there are no civil rights.

I hear there's a mod that removes 99% of the spiders, but also removes the lighter.

I know right? I was amazed to see those other foot types. Like, how do people evn?

Oh I agree with your points LB. I didn't say anyone could stop them from being bought or used - just whether it's possible to affect the rate of uptake.

Let's look at books. They've been around for some time. Is it acceptable to have a conversation with someone while you read a book and devote some attention to it? Maybe if both people are just casually reading together and occasionally saying something - but that's not what we're talking about. If you walk into a job interview is it ok to bring a book just in case the interviewer isn't really able to hold your attention? Maybe a magazine?

Cameras have been around for a long time. You could buy little spy cameras and carry them around. Today, after decades of portable cameras, is it ok to sit down to dinner with a camera on your shoulder and record everyone? Won't that make your dining companions a little uncomfortable?

It's hard to predict how technology will change society. But we can look at the past two decades as an example of how people are no more comfortable being aware they're being recorded. Yes we intellectually know that recording is going on all around us. But when an individual is doing it, right there, it's still a different feeling.

We have two decades of cell phones in society to inform us of how people expect others to behave. And institutions now try to teach a code of behavior: when you enter the movie theater it says to silence your cell phones - or it used to: now it says to turn them off, because when you sit there texting it creates a blue light everyone sees and gets distracted by. When you go to a teen movie the admonition is repeated 3-4 times instead of the 1 time for a regular movie. That's because, as parents know, you need to tell some children three times before they start listening.

The adapt or die phrase is apt, but overused. What if I used the same example related to natural park space, pollution, or vehicle safety? No, we regulate those things, and that's as it should be. Cars are safer in the US than they've ever been, the various pollution control acts have had a positive impact on pollution levels and health outcomes, and our state and national park system ensures that beautiful wilderness spaces are protected from ruination. When you see urban sprawl, children with black lung, and horrific car crashes do you say "get with the times, pal, the future is death and dismemberment!" or do you say "the future could be better than this, let's do some work to try to make the future a nice place!"

Someone will inevitably jump in with "hey man Google Glass isn't the same thing as leaded gasoline, Leo is dumb a probably a pervert" so I'll head that off - again. I'm not saying Glass is a threat to public health and safety, but it's a threat to personal privacy - in the same way ubiquitous surveillance is a threat. If you don't care about the NSA watching your Yahoo video chats, then you probably also wouldn't care about smart glasses.

EDIT: At some point we just need to walk around wearing masks. Sure a lot of businesses will turn you away, especially convenience stores and banks. But eventually if everyone cares about privacy some business in a field will gobble up those customers by allowing the masked ones in. Then the rest will follow suit or be outperformed and crumble.

This lady made some games, educational and sad and maybe not so great as games, necessarily. But the history of Ireland sure is sad, and it makes me wonder how they got the stereotype of being lucky :/

Comparing Google Glasses to guns and swords seems a bit silly, unless your point is that people are going to start stabbing people with their glasses, or install apps that let them shoot lasers from drones at you.

All your other points make sense though.

This comment shows that you either did not understand or you purposefully misinterpreted it. I put out extra work to make sure I didn't say that Glass is the same as a gun or spraycan. What I said was:

Because there exists a crime that can be committed, and a device than can be committing it, and no way to tell whether the device is currently employed to commit that crime, but that users of the device commonly perform that activity, I see no difference between Glass and a handgun or spray paint as it relates to open carry.

It's so obvious as to be pointless that a gun is not exactly the same as a can of spray paint. Come. On.

Relatives over from England. Gotta be on good behaviour. That's fine in public. Don't wanna have to do it in my own home.

This is why you want to move out and live with you and whoever you're boinking. Walk around naked and belching all day long, with occasional belly scratching.