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But only if you like reading horrible webcomics written by maladaptive shut-ins.

Doesn't help with the kind of thing the OP is talking about.  I've seen times where a miner will be directly adjacent to the tile he plans to mine, but takes a 100-tile trip around to the other side so that he can mine it from that direction.  I've seen engravers do even worse, travelling literally almost twice the length of the map to smooth a piece of wall that they're directly next to.  If they already do that, then putting in restricted-traffic zones won't help.

If what you say is true (and I think it is), then it seems like dwarves choose the location from which to build/mine before pathfinding. This would make sense, as dwarves normally first choose where to go, then how to get there, resulting in strange stuff like that. If dwarves chose which side to do a job from BASED on pathfinding results, now that would probably fix it, if that's possible.

Yeah, it's just how the game checks the depth. It probably SHOULD check to see if the tile below the water tile is also water, and approve the upper tile for use if it is.

It's still only a single season/year. Does a large world running to year 600 take you ten hours to run the history at a minute per year? Because if not, then less than a minute per year isn't that long to wait during gameplay, and if so, I can't fathom how you're doing it in the first place.

If your 'pedestal' museums are the equivalent of statue gardens for non-statues then I like the ideas, in fact why not fold the statue garden into the museum as just one of the many things that museums can hold, flexible and simple at the same time.

The number one building that I'm missing right now is the temple or some kind of area ware religious practices take place, Dwarfs are depicted as very religious in fantasy literature and would have multiple temples to a Pantheon of gods within their forts.  Making temples and dedicating them to various deities (and assigning some priests) would be very fun.  I could see the fort as a whole demanding these temples the way that nobles demand stuff.

Regarding statue gardens and "museums", I was thinking the same thing, really.


But as far as religion goes, keep in mind that dwarves do vary at least a LITTLE between different works, and that we really have no idea how DF-style dwarves treat religion.

All we know is that a civilization has a given pantheon and that dwarves worship their own chosen patron deities to their own degree of fervor. The rest, we have no clue yet, as far as I know.

I can see dwarves being a tad ambivalent about religion, actually. As in, it doesn't affect their civilization as a whole very much (e.g. they don't get as uptight on a grand scale as elves), and religiosity isn't really expected of the individual in their culture, religion being treated as sort of a personal matter, with dwarves having varying level of devotion to varying gods, generally representing things they can relate to or consider important. So I can see temples and such going into the game, but not as an incredibly important thing, especially when you consider that most dwarves in a fortress won't worship the same deity.

That being said, I do think temples and religion could be incorporated more heavily into the main game, and all of that is just my own interpretation, which may differ from anyone else's, including Toady's.

For what it's worth, unicorns don't seem to have a [CHILD] tag, and probably should have [PET_EXOTIC], although the latter is more a suggestion than anything, based on the fact that you can even tame dragons and giant desert scorpions, and unicorns are tameable in folklore anyway to a degree; certainly a higher degree than giant arthropods.

You also meant BBCode, not PHPBB. PHPBB is a specific forum software and I don't know if this forum uses it (I think it doesn't).

And yeah, obviously a well should work if the water is deep enough, period. It makes no rational sense whatsoever for the game's z-level abstraction to affect things in this way, although working around it is probably easy enough.

The basic point is still there, though.

I mean, why should I feel guilty for killing something in a video game, which obviously isn't living or even all that complex? As long as I have any sort of decent understanding of fantasy vs. reality, and know that actually DOING that sort of thing in real life would be awful, why is it a problem?