A division of Waffen SS is "a couple" of Nazi Palestinians? You've got the facts on your side, all right.
If you really want to nitpick on semantics, go ahead. Compared to the entire ethnic group of Palestinians, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the word "few" would be entirely appropriate. Otherwise you might as well characterize Americans as a nation of racist bigots because the KKK exists within our borders. Which is exactly the line of reasoning you're using to portray all Palestinians as Nazis.
For what it's worth a majority endorsed Hamas and by extension its charter via elections. The Hamas Charter calls for pretty much the same thing the Nazis wanted.
You mention that Hamas charter more often than a middle school boy with a brand new crush. Need I mention the actual reasons Hamas won? Namely, that the only opposition party was ridiculously corrupt, and that in a lot of places (thanks largely to the Israeli siege) Hamas was/is the only entity providing much-needed social services, food distribution, medical care, education, etc. They are a lot of things, one branch is a terrorist/militant group, another branch is the political wing, another branch provides social services. They're all part of the same entity and linked, but dedication to the goal of destroying Israel is hardly the only reason someone would vote for them, any more than dedication to the invasion of Afghanistan would be the only reason someone voted Republican.
Wikipedia certainly backs up everything I've claimed.
I really, really don't feel like going through every preposterous claim you've made and finding citations to prove it's wrong, but I'm gonna do a few right now just to shut you up.
#1: Repeated claims that "The Palestinians", implying the whole entire population's active involvement, did the following:
"tried to drive the future Israelis out"
created a volunteer a Waffen SS division (your exact words: "The people claiming a "right of return" were the very same who created a volunteer division of the Waffen SS.", thus implying every single Palestinian refugee was in on said division)
I don't think I even need to point out why it's ridiculous to say these things. Later you backpedaled:
"ENOUGH future Palestinians participated in ethnic cleansing against future Israelis".
I'd love to know what "enough" means. Apparently though, a small group is "enough" for you to hold the entire ethnic group responsible.
Then you went on to say that
"In addition the ethnic cleansing effort was not opposed by the Palestinians who didn't participate.
Those Muslims who stayed behind and didn't fight the Israelis have enjoyed peace, prosperity, and religious freedom which would have been denied the Jews had they lost -- obviously, as ethnic cleansing was the Palestinians' only victory condition."
First off, you're saying that there were no Palestinians who opposed ethnic cleansing against Jews. Please read the books "Blood Brothers" by Elias Chacour and "Strangers in the House" by Raja Shehadeh for autobiographical examples to the contrary. And of course there are plenty more
Second, this quote from the introductory section of the wiki article on the 1948 Palestinian exodus proves a number of things false which you have said:
"Nur-eldeen Masalha writes that over 80 percent of the Arab inhabitants of the area that became Israel left their towns and villages.[5] Jewish advances, such as that on Haifa, fears of a massacre after Deir Yassin,[6] and a collapse in Palestinian leadership caused many to leave out of panic, while most of those who remained were expelled by Jewish soldiers or, later, the Israeli government. A series of laws passed by the first Israeli government prevented them from returning to their homes, or claiming their property. They and many of their descendants remain refugees.[7]"
Again, see both books mentioned above for autobiographical examples. In Chacour's case, his family remained living in what became Israel, in Shehadeh's case, his family fled and was later joined in Ramallah by other families from Jaffa who were forcibly expelled.
Next, we have your allegations that "Palestinians are choosing war", etc., and that the Israeli occupation is merely a purely defensive response to terrorist attacks.
First of all, the Israeli occupation has been going on since 1967, long before Hamas existed, and before the vast majority of Palestinian terrorism happened. Terrorism really kicked off BECAUSE of the occupation.
In case you don't know what the occupation is, in 67 Israel captured the WB and Gaza strip, but did not formally annex either. Because the WB contains almost all the major sites important to Jewish Biblical history, many Israelis wanted to keep it, and many religious Jews want to live there. Still - Israel did not annex it. They DID keep it under their control, but without granting citizenship to the people living there. This means West Bank Palestinians have been ruled for the past 40 years by a government they have absolutely no say in. This entire situation is illegal under international law (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation#Rome_Statute_of_the_International_Criminal_Court) and the building of settlements there is a further violation of international law and of human rights.
In any case, the fact of conquering a population of millions and then keeping them under the conqueror's control while denying them the ability to self-govern, and denying them any representation in the government ruling them, is clearly a human rights violation. And this is without even going into any of the multitude of other violations of human rights that are part of the occupation, most of which clearly do not serve any security purpose (such as building the separation barrier not along the border with the West Bank, but WITHIN it, often dividing communities in half or separating farmers from their farmland; or blockading of entire cities like Nablus, allowing nobody in or out without waiting for hours to go through security if they are allowed in at all)
From the wiki article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel, some choice selections:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_237 - urged Israel to allow return of Palestinian refugees from 1967 war. Israel did not comply
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_252 - declared the changing of legal status of Jerusalem illegal, in line with an earlier resolution that "the acquisition of territory by military conquest is inadmissible," meaning the commonly heard argument that the West Bank and Jerusalem are Israel's by right of conquest is invalid under international law
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_605 - regarding some of Israel's many violations of Palestinians' human rights
And Netanyahu doesn't like this one very much:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_476There's a list of hundreds; obviously, all of these are the ones the US didn't block.
That the "Palestinians" were mostly internal migrants (from other parts of the Ottoman Empire) coming to take advantage of the economic boom that followed increased Jewish migration?
Whoooooo what a doozy. There have been of course many attempts to portray the Palestinians as not having lived in Palestine for any length of time, as if this would matter in any sane moral discussion even if it were true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Palestinian_people"In 1882 the population numbered approximately 320,000 people, 25,000 of whom were Jewish.[3]"
"Like the Lebanese, Syrians, Egyptians, Moroccans, and most other people today commonly called Arabs, the Palestinians are an Arab people in linguistic and cultural affiliation — that is, in ethnic identity. However, like most other peoples today called Arabs, the Palestinians descend from the pre-existing ancient inhabitants of their respective region and those who have come to settle it throughout history; a matter on which genetic studies described below has begun to shed some light."
On that last topic, check footnote #82 on that article. I'll quote it for you:
Nebel et al. (2000). High-resolution Y chromosome haplotypes of Israeli and Palestinian Arabs reveal geographic substructure and substantial overlap with haplotypes of Jews. 107. Human Genetics. pp. 630–641. "According to historical records part, or perhaps the majority, of the Muslim Arabs in this country descended from local inhabitants, mainly Christians and Jews, who had converted after the Islamic conquest in the seventh century AD (Shaban 1971; Mc Graw Donner 1981). These local inhabitants, in turn, were descendants of the core population that had lived in the area for several centuries, some even since prehistorical times (Gil 1992)... Thus, our findings are in good agreement with the historical record..."
See the bolded part? Also, note that today's Palestinians have not only ancestors who lived in Palestine before the Israelites arrived, but they also have Jewish ancestors.
I think that should about do it. I'm doing this for a couple reasons:
1. to shut you up from making insane and slanderous accusations against personal friends of mine
2. It's actually beneficial for my own knowledge to have looked this stuff up more intensively
3. I hope there are other people reading this who will learn from it
I'm NOT doing it because I expect you to listen to facts and own up to spewing a propaganda version of history, but hey, hell could freeze over.
Also, since you're equally in love with that Waffen SS brigade as with the Hamas Charter, why don't you show me a citation proving that all Palestinians were in on it? Or that it existed, for that matter, since the burden of proof is, after all, on you. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it did exist, but given the other nonsense you've been spouting, I also wouldn't be surprised if it was pure fantasy.
