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Since toady does not include much radioactive minerals the circus would basically act as the real world heating medium so it could be considered the same.

The caverns are actually what would cause the fortress tempatures to be slightly different than real world examples. If caverns have there own climate like others have said then basically its a toss up of whether its hot or cold deep in a fortress. Once you open the caverns the fortress would find an equilibrium between cavern temp and above ground temp. Rocks would match these temps over time since caverns are very large it wouldnt matter how hot the rocks were originally

In modding I took to researching a good deal of topics. The existence of titanium ores in the world but no way to make titanium led me towards modding a process to produce titanium. In the end i decided its not only far to complicated (4 steps if you extremely simplify it, for context pearlash is 3 and I never seem to have enough pearlash and it requires a non zero amount of micro managing), but it would also go against the desired set time period/ technology constaint of 1400. Basically most metals that dont exist in DF are likely because it requires some gas or another, which requires electricity to produce. Titanium also must be smelted in a vacuum or a place without oxygen, which in modern day we use an argon chamber.

I digress, DF gets alot right that is often missed by other fantasy settings/ authors. World of Warcraft for example has Titanium and Thorium bars, magic and fantasy can only go so far as a crutch (thorium wouldnt even be good for armor and weapons as its only slightly harder than tin and aluminum)

I recently found that the deeper you dig the hotter it gets. I always knew that of course the planets center is hot and molten, but i also knew that it can get cold underground. I always assumed that the crust was cold but after the mantle the tempature rapidly increases (it does actually rapidly increase as far as human biology is concerned).

DF has deep and shallow metals, I would consider shallow under 1 mile deep which is where i discovered most easy pickings for ore were found early in human history, but we now must go far deeper in search of ore. 1 mile deep would be 75 degrees warmer. So for those of you embarking in scorching regions being underground would actually be worse.

Now most big fantasy settlements that come to mind are actually in cold climates - Ironforge, Moria, etc. So digging and living deep would actually be of benefit and likely desired.

For other projects I am working on I am trying to find a way that dwarves would regulate temperatures throughout a fort. I am merely dabbling chemist so I dont know from experience what would actually happen in context but take a typical dwarven strongold its cavernous vast halls and deep reaching extensions and excavation. Heat rises so as you expand deeper adding layers and carving out work areas and dwellings would the heat largely dissapate into the large volume of air and colder rock layers above? Or is the source so strong that the fortress as a whole would get ever warmer?

Across universes most dwarven design is consistent that Dwarves are masters of stone my head cannon is theres such a way to carve stone and extend halls to make caverns a giant heat spreader. Dwarven dwellings would also very easy be able to produce steam rooms and hotspring/baths. Which gave me another idea and the basic cooling solution of great dwarven engineering, the main halls would have simple plumbing of thin or small pipes. As you go deeper the water would heat up and eventually boil and rise. Again I am unsure in practice how much this would actually cool a cavern but if cold water runs through the walls and hot water is forced up, you essentially would be cooling the underground and heating the upper levels. Maybe even producing hot baths as a biproduct. (not to clear yet on how steam would work). This would work best in cold areas/ mountain ranges. Snow from the mountain would enter into grates or porous stones throughout the outer most layer and enter an input pipe system which would then be fed via gravity throughout the cavern walls down. A cistern would collect all the heating water, so boom you have air conditioning and water treatment.


I am going to continue to research how this would work but posted here in case anyone would know how it would work or how to work it out with science (sorry not !!SCIENCE!!)


Oh the other common concept is magma fueled forges. They dont exist in the modern area despite large concern for the environment and ever increasing expense in energy and heating, somehow the dwarves are more eco friendly?!

Wouldn't most heating via magma basically be a crucible suspended above, or maybe submerged in magma. Or is it more complicated than that?

how are folks performing these massive tests in the object testing arena? I almost think ima be best off testing in fortress mode so i can save a template and then using the save back ups just restart tests.

As it stands now I need to create creature assign all armor and weapons and skills, Its leading to less comprehensive testing than id like. I am aware of macros but i hear thats not always without kinks. Also is there like a log parser? I want a way to have combat logs in a spread sheet with the actions broken down, like all the deflects, parry's, weapon stuck, etc.


A bit about what i am doing i am trying to mod weapons to be more specialized. For example spears should be better than most swords at slaying beasts. Currently I am just tallying how many times a weapon beats a troll with 5 tests, not very scientific but anything else takes far too long. Id like to just have each test with 100 trials but im obviously going to need a addon or tool for this..

Can anyone assist with my post above? I guess it boils down to are furnaces handled differently than custom workshops? I cant get my overrides to actually override

EDIT i resolved the issue i was under the impression that the datatypes were from df itself but theres a full write up and explaination on twbt https://github.com/mifki/df-twbt#tables

I needed to use FURNACE_CUSTOM when using a furnace not workshop_custom. might seem obvious but i didnt know that existed and no one else uses that for overrides.