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In year 40. the dwarven civilization "Diamond Cover" found the ancient text depicting the existence of fabric and metal that is beyond anyone's wildest imagination.

If such material exist, it would surely change the world and history forever; the civilization that controls such metal will certainly control the world.

In year 50, the high council of Diamond Cover decided that the most likely spot for such metal is located on the east bank of the continent, far away from the mountain home.

In spring 50, an expedition group of 7 dwarves left the mountain home departed from the mountain home, their official role is to create an outpost in the faraway land between "The dune of metronome" and "the helpful hill".

Their secret goal is to find the fabled metal, and if it exist, to test its potential.

Due to the highly secret operation underground, the mountain home asked the dwarves to create a fort that is absolutely on the surface, and keep the staircase to the underground excavation site off limit to all but the nobles and miners.

How well can it handle having to feed, alcohol, and cloth multiple Dwarfs?  We see your Design calls for a single Route to take Supplies in and carry Goods out, how would that work if it runs on a serial Circuit?

I am working on the logic part of the design, ideally, I would want to have separate production unit that take in food, drinks and raw material from three minecart feeder and combine all the item to the fourth minecart that feeds the production unit. The food, alcohol and cloth should be easy to regulate since dwarf dont need too much of them and I can resupply them every few years.

What Percentage of your Dwarfs would you be installing into these?  Have you considered what Percentage of your Dwarfs would remain in the Available Haulers Pool, and the Effect it would have on base-Level Resource Gathering?  Is the underlying Infrastructure automated or Dwarf-powered?  If it is automated, how much Power do you estimate an average Assembly Line to use?  If it is Dwarf-powered, how many Dwarfs would you expect it to need?

I want over half of my dwarves work on the assembly line, not all of them will be workers, and I think about half of them will in their own hauling room combing or splitting their inputs. The stockpiles outside the assembly line shall be minimum: everything that is produced in the fort aside from mining will be produced form the assembly line, from farming unit to workshop unit to item distribution center （where all the hauler will sort their goods there）. The assembly line shall be failry close to each other so that impulse ramp and roller are not required, and push are sufficient.[size=78%] [/size]

What Industries are these for?  How gracefully can it handle over- and under- supplying?  Have you considered how it would handle the left-over Bags from a Glass Industry?

I think one prominent use of this system （and the one I am currently working on) is to mass produce rare metals. Namely divine metals for the dragon-fire proof mechanism and candy for massive battle gears. My design for this system involves x production units, x melting units,1 resource control unit and 2x+1 dwarves. In practice it shall generate divine metal at a steady pace for at least a decade without any maintenance needed. The resource control dwarf will receive clothing, food and drink from three other stockpiles (which is send into his unit by minecarts), combine them and distribute them evenly to two minecart, he will also receive divine metal bars from the melting unit and metal coin from the smithing unit and exchange them.







There are some more design I need to experiment on to make the production unit function better, such as a system to stop input from resource control unit so the next workshop in line will get it instead. My currently method is another 1*2 track with stops, pressure plate and 1*1 stockpile, it will work but is not very space efficient.

Can it provide mental Stimulation?  Do you plan to use these for unskilled Labour?  Have you considered the known negative Effects of Solitude, Lack of mental Stimulation, and Lack of skilled Labour on Dwarfs?

The room contains bedroom, dining room, military training, temple, prepared roast, stone floor for the dwarves to engrave on their leisure, and two statues at the entrance. I think the dwarf should be happy. There is a problem of solitude, but if I drag the new recruit to their cells immediately without forming too many connections, I think they will be fine. I can even turn the gabage dump into a fountain, but I think that would be overkill.

Are you aware that Dwarfs need to get forcibly evicted from their Barracks to attend to their mental, spiritual, and social Needs?

If a vampire can stay locked in isolated room for hundreds of years and sealing away part of a fortress' residence completely is a viable option for an immortal fortress, I think the dwarves will be fine.

There is a saying that quantum stockpile improves FPS performance due to render less items on the screen, and even the official wiki mentioned it （but it stated that this fact isn't proven). Is this true or is it a myth?

So I guess I need to sell that cage in my fortress with 300+ chicken inside?

Do you think I need to wall off all the cave entrance, or maybe even extinct the local fauna? Sometimes there are more wild crundle in my map than my dwarves, which according to your study is a pretty bad thing.

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You cannot control which edge of the map they arrive from and cannot block the edges, but you can pre-build some secondary entrances that you only unlock when migrants arrive.

You can build bridges, iirc, that block the edges.  If you retract them in the right direction, you can control which map edges are pathable, and as a result, make them only show up where you wish.
If the bridge trick no longer works, then you can just hack in / create walls of obsidian via various DFHack tools, if you're willing to use that.

Edge attack with bridges (or casting obsidian) works, but only for merchant caravans. (Which is still great)

In 47.05, that does not work for migrants and diplomat (argh!). The eligible map edges are determined at embark, by checking pathing from the original position of the wagon. So, you can _kinda_ restrict where migrants appear by embarking on a map with a river that blocks pathing (a stream that you can walk over won't do it), and only the part of the map reachable from the wagon will spawn migrants and diplomats.

If you really care, the eligible tiles for migrants are a property of that tile that you can find and edit with dfhack manually on a tile-by-tile basis. I have done that a couple times, by switching the flags to only allow migrants from certain tiles, but IIRC, that also applies to invaders, so you're also funneling invasions in the same way.

For TRULY hostile environments, where the migrants can't survive the sprint to a central entrance, the best I've done is to build several mini bunkers with meeting areas that the migrants can run to, then airlocks and decontamination trenches to let them in.
Migrants and

I am very interested in the eligible tile part because one side of my site is next to a cliff, and I am planning to remove all its ramps.

I don't want anyone, neither migrants nor invaders to approach from that side.

I tried probe command and tiletypes command from dfhack but I dont see anything resemble immigrant property.