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I'm not saying it's true based on that. I'm saying that we shouldn't place religion into the 'Evil Things' category just because the cognitive processes that it leads to and cause it seem like status games.I think this kind of depends on what somebody’s values are. If you think that believing a thing because it feels good instead of believing it because it’s true is “evil”, then it might make sense to put religion in the “evil things” category. I’m not sure where I stand on this.
Oh sure, what is and is not acceptable to believe varies with context, probably pretty widely. I agree with that.Actually, the reason you don’t believe in fairy tales is probably because believing in fairy tales gets you socially ostricised.Point of order, but... not so much. Fairy tales and, more on the point, folk tales are still told and believed in a number of places without the least whit of social rebuffing, nevermind their prevalence in the past. Not believing (or, at least, professing belief) in any number of small tales can actually be what gets you ostracized, often enough. The thousand and one tiny superstitions about luck, the local but widely believed within the area stories of ghosts and ghoulies and whatnot... they're still very much there, and taken very seriously in many places. I've personally heard tales swapped with utmost seriousness and more or less accepted, with tales swapped back in tones just as serious, about things in the swamps and ghosts on the bridges, and that's stateside where thin pickings regarding local myths is a very well known phenomena.
Why I don't believe any of them is the same reason I don't believe in fairy tales. It has nothing to do with what other people do or don't believe. Religion is just a form of Little Red Riding Hood that's believed to me.Actually, the reason you don’t believe in fairy tales is probably because believing in fairy tales gets you socially ostricised. I don’t think anybody here ever ran through the Little Red Riding Hood story to find the indescrepancies. First, it wasn’t taught to you as a fact, and, second, you sure as hell wouldn’t start believing it later due to the social punishment you’d get for it. Yeah, maybe if it was taught to you as a fact and it was considered okay to believe it, you might have later in life worked through it and found it lacking, but then it’d be analogous to religion and you wouldn’t be able to just outright dismiss it.
You don't go through medical school and become a family doctor if you're afraid of diarrhea.But this diarrhea explodes!
Well maybe the earth looks flat to God.
Also, origami makes a good point. Kinda like this.
Well that makes sense I guess. God would be the master of all dimensions (however many there are).Wait, you were serious? So God got confused and wrote that the Earth has corners and a foundation because “Hey, all those lower dimensions look the same to me.”?
Uh, yeah, no. Plenty of religious people take apologetics seriously. And his assertion was that religion is based on the assumption that the universe doesn’t behave in a way you can model with logic. The existance of apologetics shows that to be false.Laptisen seems to be ignoring 100s of years of sophisticated apologetics that attempt to use logic to support religion.No, religious people ignore them too.
Laptisen seems to be ignoring 100s of years of sophisticated apologetics that attempt to use logic to support religion.If course, this is dependent on the assertion that everything is logical, which is the exact opposite of what religion is based on. You can argue that that's the only way to look at things, but it's generally unhelpful in criticizing religion to a theist's face unless you purely seek to reaffirm your own viewpoint.
I would say that is an assumption. A lot of people say that religion and logic go together just fine. Doesn't the (partial) rejection of logic undermine the principle of argumentation itself?
Except that one guy, but we don't talk about them.Once. That happened once, but nobody lets me live it down.
It probably does sound boring right now, but we were created to worship God. I imagine that worshiping him will be the most fulfilling and wonderful thing ever.
Even here on earth, worshiping God is satisfying. Why do you think people want to go to church in the first place? It becomes a lot easier once you realize how much God loves you. He deserves all we can give him.
Sin is, in effect, the compulsion to go against God. It's (metaphorically) tied to "the flesh", which is why the New Testament is full of verses about casting aside your old body and so on. None of that is literal - you can safely ignore it if you like.I thought origamiscienceguy is a biblical literalist, though, which would imply that’s not what they mean.
No, I mean, what does it mean for a body to be “free of sin”?It means that in heaven, there is no sin. There is much debate about what age/appearance people will have in heaven, but I don't think that that is imperative to know.…this new body is completely free of sin.Can you say what that would mean?
…this new body is completely free of sin.Can you say what that would mean?
Well, that depends on what God decides to do to you if you don’t want it. Eternal disutility? Yeah, okay, fine. Nothing happens? Depends on whether you care what God thinks of you at that point. You don’t actually need divine permission to stop feeling guilty if you don’t want to feel guilty anymore.Well, he's forgiven the elect. He hasn't forgiven the folks who don't/didn't/won't want it.correct. I don't know why anybody who believes that wouldn't want it though.
