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Alright, should the town attempt to get as much information as possible, by demanding that everyone vote for someone and then calling for a vote count, or should we try to keep as much information as possible away from the scum, and not?

Everyone vote and then do a vote count. However, for the results to be easier to interpret, it would be best if everyone voted for someone different.

Also, Pandar. That's basically what I was thinking, but didn't want to say. >,>

i only learn about this fallacy after the fact however every1 else is just randomly quoting eachother and posting more stuff to be quoted then random voting i get to try and play right? or is this a members exclusive area wher eif you dont play the way every1 else plays you dont get to play?

I'm sorry, but I laughed so hard at that. Especially the "every[one] else is just randomly quoting each other and posting more stuff to be quoted then random voting" part. What you described is not the situation at all. A "member's exclusive area [where if] you don't play the way every[one] else plays, you don't get to play"? No. It's just that if you don't make an effort, you can easily get "left behind" and become confused. Playing forum mafia can require a good chunk of effort and time to look back, study what everyone has said and done, and to make the best decision you can as to who to vote for.

But if you're serious (which I hope you aren't), the Mafia Scum wiki should be quite useful. Browse it some, and if there's a term that someone uses that you don't understand (such as OMGUS, WIFOM, gambler's fallacy, or LYLO), search for it on there. It should be quite useful. This goes for major_sephiroth as well.

And for some info that I really shouldn't be spending my time on typing up: At the beginning of each game, we randomly vote to get people to talk, and to gauge their reactions. While sometimes not very effective, this part can be quite useful, particularly against newbies who are scum, though they'll usually just claim "n00bship". These votes are not likely to remain for long, as long as the person being voted for doesn't react weirdly. The votes are merely to put pressure on people to talk.

However, we have passed beyond that stage, and so we are now no longer voting at random. Now we are at the point where examining what people say and who they vote for is a necessity. Typically in mafia, people will often decline to lynch on the first day in favor of waiting for night so that townie power roles can gather useful information. However, this type of mafia (Web's Vote Mafia variety) lacks power roles who can gather information in the night, such as a common Cop role, so this strategy is done away with. It is more crucial to examine what people say and do in Vote Mafias than in most others.

This has made me realize that Josh's Mafia Tutorial could probably really use more information on standard procedures and terms.

[Pre-Post Edit:] Like Josh just said, Diakron, you're going crazy when there's not a lot of real pressure on you. Going crazy just makes people more suspicious of you, which increases the pressure placed on you. But if you are really feeling like you can't take the pressure, perhaps it would be best if Web got a replacement for you? =|

Quote from: chaoticjosh on August 30, 2009, 06:47:20 pm

Unvote

So wait, before I make any hasty decisions, I want to get this straight.

The infinity voter and the unlimited voter have what is essentially the same power, but the IV will trump the UV if they're both in play, and the UV can switch his around, and will only be negated if he actually manages to kill someone, at which point he becomes a normal townie with 1 vote?

Hey Zaithemaster, what do you make of this? I'm not trying to deflect, by the way, I just want to know your thoughts.

Could you clarify as to what it is you are asking my thoughts on?

Now here is the question. Can you power your train by having it pulled by mammoths being rode by molemen slaves? Of course, if they were zombie molemen riding ninja mammoths pulling a pirate train, you would have it cinched for game of the year.

I'm tempted to make a game where that's the only thing in it.

I can, from this thread alone, despite not having seen any serious art by you, predict that this comic will be utter crap and dead within a month, unless you RADICALLY change your attitude towards the project.

Why so serious negative?

Quote from: Pandarsenic on August 30, 2009, 02:00:21 am

Quote from: Mr.Person on August 30, 2009, 01:36:13 am

Quote from: ToonyMan on August 30, 2009, 01:26:17 am

I think it's a scum role, that has nothing to do with reality.

And what makes you think it's a scum role? I bet you Webadict just randomly assigns the roles to random people on random teams.

He's confirmed this is the case.

I don't understand. How is ToonyMan confirmed for thinking a randomly assigned role is a scum role?

"He" was obviously referring to webadict, the last person mentioned.

Unvote, vote Zaithemaster. You Elmo wannabe, come out and argue with me!

Of course, that's barely sufficient, so let's hypothetically say you were the vote reporter, how would you go about using that role?

Let me start off by saying that everybody needs to include a description of their known role, even if it was in past VMs. I am having to look back at VM2 to remember what the Vote Reporter does.

Then let me say second that it doesn't really matter what I would do if I were the Vote Reporter, as that is not my role. But if I were the Vote Reporter, I would have used it like anyone would have: picking someone at night who had seemed suspicious the day before (or in the case of Night 0, picking someone at random), and see if they were "lying" about their vote.

FoS Mr.Person again for voting for someone based only (apparently) on the fact that they made lists, and being antagonistic about it. But FoS Free Beer at the same time because M.P has a point (the irony, I know), though there's not enough to vote for someone because of it.

Actually. Vote Mr.Person because of the above, what I FoS'd him earlier for, and this:

The infinity voter should come forward, but it doesn't have to be tonight. Besides, once they've done the infinity thing, they're a regular old townie. No real reason for the mafia to night-kill them in that case.

You refer to the Infinity Voter as a townie here (implying you have knowledge of who is and isn't scum), and yet you demand them to use their power soon "in case they're scum." Doesn't mesh, sorry.

The infinity voter should speak up right now. We're not taking the chance of instant loss later in the game, you're using your power today.

FoS Mr.Person for demanding the Infinity Voter use their supreme vote today (which, by the way, would ensure that whoever they decide to vote for dies if they did decide to do so; you would be forcing them to vote for someone at random). While it is a powerful role for scum, it is just as powerful for the town (though less necessary, I suppose, given the town to mafia ratio).

Also. I find it funny you (M.P) said "we're," without specifying what group "we" is.

So, whose avatars are still good to draw?

Mine. =D